Having now tried several tests through UI (and received only errors) and STSADM
(and seen the hell that breaks loose afterwards) I've gone down Uzma's path of
only backing up individual sites and restoring to dev as required for testing
and development. Hardly ideal.
With publishing sites (and quite possibly WSS w/ publishing enabled) this still
requires running custom STSADM commands and other fixes to correct page layout
paths (break page settings), CQWP queries, hundreds of hard-coded links within
web part fields or pages (because MOSS wouldn't allow a relative URL!) and
more. And let's not forget about the lack of support for tasks and workflows.
I cannot get over the sheer amount of hard paths and absolute URLs that MOSS
uses. That simple environment variables or tokens for {siteroot}, {site},
{_layout} etc., are not used simply amazes me.
It's insulting enough to pay this much for a product and then be left with a
command line tool for all these operations, but to the have this many problems
with something as simple as a backup and restore operation...
Why would it have be so hard to create a web-based GUI for theses (and other)
essential daily tasks that allowed a bit more control over the various
parameters and managed syntax while also providing a "Test" mode for the less
brazen?
Thank God for the generous and talented souls out there who have filled this
black hole of omissions with their own tools and scripts.
[Sorry, Ishai, if I beat you to today's rant. ;)]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Nemtsev
Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2008 8:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: create SharePoint development same as production site
You will find those errors during backup/restore. So, it will be clear if OOTB
backup works or not.
I would not recommend using STSADM -o export/import till you have no problems
with UI tools
There are no issues with export/import command, but it's very error-proned
approach, and you should know how to do it correctly.
Michael Nemtsev | WSS MCTS, MS MVP
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ajay
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [OzMOSS] RE: create SharePoint development same as production site
My worry is that will deploying with backup/restore make it unsupported as
Stefan post says.
I will be finishing with the client soon, don't want him to get problems with
MS Support later in case anything happens
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Michael Nemtsev <[EMAIL
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I never had issues which Stefan described.
I believe it will be fixed with the SP2
Michael Nemtsev | WSS MCTS, MS MVP
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Ajay
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:53 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OzMOSS] RE: create SharePoint development same as production site
I have been using backup/restore for deployment between different environments
and then I found this....
Be aware that backup/restore of MOSS content databases between server farms are
not fully supported! Official documentation of this support limitation is
currently in the works. The supported way to transfer content between server
farms is to use STSADM -o export/import or content deployment. Backup/restore
is only supported for the same server farm
http://blogs.technet.com/stefan_gossner/archive/2008/03/12/common-error-situation-with-when-using-backup-restore-to-transfer-a-database-to-a-new-farm-on-moss-2007.aspx
Though I haven't had the error in the above post so far and have deployed about
15 web applications so far...
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Michael Nemtsev <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
There is no issues if you restore you farm backup to single SharePoint
instance. It will work fine. It's common scenario when you design you Disaster
Recovery (DR) box, and you don't need farm there - only single instance. So you
restore your backup there and set up SQL mirroring.
There is no OOTB way to backup content selectively and omit some files.
What you can try to do is to copy your content into new content DB and remove
content of doc libraries there
Michael Nemtsev | WSS MCTS, MS MVP
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Paul Noone
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [OzMOSS] RE: create SharePoint development same as production site
Hi Michael,
Sorry to pick up an old thread but I'm just getting ready to backup/restore our
production environment to development in order to have a current version to
work with.
Is the GUI-based Farm backup in Central Administration smart enough to
recognise different farm topology, configurations, paths, domains, ports etc.,
and update them? Having not gone down this road before I'm finding the unknown
more than a little frightening.
Also, does anyone know of a method to selectively backup content - i.e.
_without_ the content in document libraries?
Regards,
Paul
Online Developer, ICT
CEO Sydney
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PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Michael Nemtsev
Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2008 11:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [OzMOSS] RE: create SharePoint development same as production site
What's the reason for this, why u need to copy the whole environment? Because
usually you are doing it vice versa, from development to production
Just make a whole farm backup on production box and restore on your box via
OOTB backup/restore
Michael Nemtsev | WSS MCTS, MS MVP
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Ken Zheng
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 3:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [OzMOSS] create SharePoint development same as production site
Hi All:
Just want to find out what you guys do to copy the production site to the
development machine, is backup/restore or import/export site or some other
better way.
Cheers
Ken
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