Calling someone a whiner is a personal attack on that person. It is unusual for this list to have one member attacking another for the ideas and perspectives that they have.
Let's not get into that habit, the list is great without it. Norm has certain opinions and perspectives, and has earned them over time through actual experiences. To say that Norm is a whiner who doesn't do anything constructive about his opinions is not appropriate. In the few times I have been frustrated about the excessive use of the delete key, I have also found that I am on the wrong email list. If the list messages are so frustrating and offensive, it is wiser to leave the list than to try change it's personality, or to attack it's members. -Neal. 'bella wrote: > while I dislike some of the 'laws created' and in some cases contrary to > state or federal case law... until they are repealed or overturned upon > judicial review they ARE the law. > > Your whining is annoying... either you are part of the problem, which > you appear to be... OR you are part of the solution, which you don't > care to be... at least that is how you come off. > > I might be a thousand miles north, unwillingly so, but I am still a > florida resident.. I vote.. I still involve myself with boating issues > in my home state.. I write my legislatures.. I noticed that you did not > bother to write the dep over that obnoxious anchoring ordinance > proposal... I read each and every one of those emails.. ed k's was just > before mine btw... > Instead of your ever present whining on an internet board, why not > channel that whine to appropriate places...you have, apparently, time on > your hands. As evidenced by your prolific posting.... channel that time > to helping other boaters... to volunteering with boat us and getting the > word out about onerous subjects... all this blood pressuring raising > ranting does absolutely nada dear..nothing... and my cat is saying she > is bored to tears reading it.. > look for outlets..lots out there.. when I go home, and I pray its > soon... I detest this cold, stuck in the boat weather... I will, even > though I will be saddled with MY mom... work on boating issues.. > > to the rest of the boaters out there..... HAPPY THANKSGIVING... > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > TO THE MODS: forgive my minirant.. I held it in a long time and hit the > delete key till I my finger was broke... > 'bella > aboard > sv maja > port covington > md > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Norm of Bandersnatch > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > Not so. > > If the law, actually in this case a City of Melbourne ordinance, is > contrary to a state or federal law, it is illegal and unenforceable > (if the victim chooses to fight it) in court. Most of us don't have > the time or money to fight against those who rob us of half our > earnings and then use our own resources to attack us. > > The people ashore are just as vulnerable. If a government wants > anyone's property they simply can say that if that land was being > used for an activity that would bring the government more taxes than > it is currently producing that government can tax that property at > the rate that the property might bring if used for that activity. > This is done to drive people off their property routinely, I have > seen it happen. If some developer wants to build a condo on your > Grandmothers property she becomes an instant bag lady. They will > pay her "market value" for her property, and you can be sure that > "market value" will be the at the least value they can come up with, > not the value that they claim the property will be worth to the > developer. > > Melbourne claims they will not enforce this obscene ordinance, I am > sure, because of all the fuss their victims have been making, > especially the Seven Seas Cruising Association which holds > periodic gathering$ in that repulsive city. The bosses of > Melbourne are two-faced. If they won't enforce it then why keep it > on the books? They will keep in on the books so they can selectively > enforce it against "undesirable" individuals they want to drive > away. This is America, the land of the free, dedicated with a great > deal of blood to freedom and liberty and Melbourne has set > themselves down firmly on the other side of that concept. This > country was created by "undesirable" characters, any one of which > would have been quickly hanged or shot if the government had gotten > their hands on them. > > I did receive a copy of Melbourne's ordnance which specifically > stated that "live aboards" cannot stay longer than 72 hours anchored > in their waters. Livaboards at their marinas are not affected. > It's all about the money. They said it applied in all waters in > their jurisdiction. The waters in the buoyed ICW channel and for 50 > yards on either side of it are federal, they said. > > There are many absurd laws on the books, monuments to the stupidity > of the political and "justice" system. Recently a local lawyer's > ad mentioned that it is against the law for tractor-trailer rigs to > get closer than 50 yards from each other. > > And they just keep on coming. > > Recently the idiots in charge made a law saying it is unlawful for > an automobile to get closer than five feet to a bicycle on the road, > a physical impossibility if one is to avoid colliding with oncoming > traffic.. > > If you ever wonder why some of us hold "authority" in such disdain > just look at what they do. > > > Norm > S/V Bandersnatch > Lying Julington Creek > 30 07.695N 081 38.484W > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* bella <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[email protected]> > *Sent:* 11/24/2008 2:39:34 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Liveaboard] Eau Gallie > > norm.... I generally simply ask to have a copy of the ordinance > sent to me. > If the law is on the books in fla, it is the law.. no matter how > much we dislike it.. > > last time I checked, which was a few years back... horseless > carriages were still required to have a person with a red > lantern 50 feet ahead of them announcing thier presence. > > Did you ask the people you emailed IF the property that they are > applying that ordinance to has been deeded them by the state > legislature? Many cities use this method to own the 'ground' > that thier mooring fields sit on. Law is the law, until it is > repealed or a judge rules otherwise it is the law. Whether we > like it or not.. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Liveaboard mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To adjust your membership settings over the web > http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard > To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ > > To search the archives > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > The Mailman Users Guide can be found here > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html > > > > > -- > It's not about the boat it's sails or rigging. It's about the freedom. > > http://www.slideshare.net/jacko91/these-are-my-credentials/ > > http://fisherhouse.org/ > > http://www.specialops.org/ > > "We are the guardians of a great faith. 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