On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:29:39PM -0500, ken wrote: > I myself use dual boot. One reason is the _professional_ CAD CAM program > I use won't run on Ubuntu. Neither will the _professional_ PCB design > programs I use.
[laugh] You and I have different standards of professionalism, Ken. The people that I teach are running the computers at the Federal Depository, Los Alamos, NASA, and the US stock exchange, among others. Incidentally, the top CAD/CAM programs in the world - those used by Boeing to create the largest and the most complex technical design ever created - run on Linux, and there are a number of PCB design programs that do as well. > So Ubuntu has a ways to go before "I" could really use it in a > _professional_ manner. I'm afraid you're not qualified to render an opinion on the professional capabilities of Ubuntu or any other OS, Ken. Out of curiosity, are you actually familiar with _any_ OS beyond Windows and (to some minimal degree) Linux? > > If they ignore it, /dev/null > > (the bottomless trash pit) is always waiting. > > Regarding the above statement, a refusal to take on board legitimate and > relevant criticism But you see, that's the whole point. You're not equipped to give valid criticism: you don't know enough. What you _can_ give is a report of the things that have upset you and annoyed you... but why would you think that anyone would be interested? > (and > if that counts as not being "pleasant to be around" as far as behavior > goes or "whining and screaming" that how on earth will ANY criticism > EVER be acceptable?) See, Ken, this statement falls very neatly into the category I've described: you believe that you either have to stay completely silent OR you have to scream abuse at the top of your lungs (and the latter is "honest" and is "useful criticism".) By contrast, people who provide useful feedback to the community are aware of a broad range of behaviors that lie between those two endpoints. They submit bug reports, add suggestions to wish lists, and submit patches (proposed software changes) to improve the things they want. They participate in forums - e.g., Ubuntu hosts a number of lively and well-populated ones - and coordinate efforts to improve the things they see as necessary, whether these changes are technical, social, or philosophical. That, you see, is how open source works. And your lack of understanding of that is what disqualifies you completely from rendering useful criticism. > I would rather discuss the whys and wherefores of the issues instead > of if I am a nut, retard, incompetent, liar, cry-baby or whatever the > next adjectives de jour may be for mentioning any criticism. I may be > all of those things (been called much worse) but calling folks you > have never met and don't know names simply because you disagree with > some of their opinions they have had the termacity to publish in a > public forum doesn't in any conceivable way help solve the issues with > Ubuntu. To misquote Frank Herbert: I've displayed a general garment, and you claim it's cut to your fit? I was speaking of the whiners and the screamers that pop up around the Linux community and are laughed at for their pains. If you can find where I specifically included you in that list, I'll be sure to apologize. You, on the other hand, appear eager to claim membership in that group, and therefore be insulted by my statement. Which is it, Ken? -- * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET * _______________________________________________ Liveaboard mailing list [email protected] To adjust your membership settings over the web http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
