My artistic ability is pretty much nil but I wholeheartedly support this idea. After getting back into Smalltalk after several years of OS X and iPhone programming it's not a stretch to say the user experience leaves something to be desired.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Philip Weaver <[email protected]> wrote: > I want to find at least one individual on this mailing list who has > interest in contributing to UI mockups for Lively's future and to help keep > conversation related to this alive daily. > > > Dan, I very much understand how drawing Lively mockups in Google Docs might > be interpreted. I used to work at Apple and I understand the concept "not > invented here." I also understand the preference to develop Lively and > Smalltalk directly within itself. > > > Yesterday evening I watched "The Pixar Story" on television. John Lassiter > explained "Artists challenge the programmers. Programmers inspire the > artists." This might be a challenge. Mockups I create will develop in Google > Drawings until Lively becomes an application for vector illustration. Google > Drawings does export to SVG. > > > > Some people look at an empty canvas and see nothing. Others look at Lively > and don't understand. I want to help them understand today. > > > I want to find at least one individual (out of 98) on this mailing list who > has interest in contributing to UI mockups for Lively's future and to help > keep conversation related to this alive daily. > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Dan Ingalls <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hi, Phil - >> >> Although I haven't said a word until now, it's only because I was >> travelling and am still juggling a bunch of different responsibilities. >> >> I really like what you did. >> >> I've been trying to juggle the notions of worlds and menus and palettes >> for the many possible modes of use of lively, and I think that tab-based >> palette panels are ideal. Integrating this with browsing is also very cool. >> >> I made a run at common code for windows and tabs at one point, which >> should reduce the work to merely making palettes work with windows, except >> it appears that code didn't make it through one of the windows updates. My >> theory was that tabbed panels are exactly like windows from the standpoint >> of the content, and the only real difference is in the behavior of the two >> kinds of tabs. If I get some time, I'll get this part working again. >> >> The other thought I had, which I've voiced here before, is that we need to >> make it a primary goal to have Lively be the vehicle of choice for us to do >> such mockups and presentations. It was this commitment that made Squeak >> into the wonderful media tool that it is. Furthermore, it's just not that >> hard. If we just had 3 or 4 of us working on it for a month I think we >> could reach a major plateau. >> >> So I guess this could be a companion message to yours -- folks who want a >> no-coding project could help you out, and those who want some simple (*) >> coding projects could help make Lively into a better composition >> environment. >> >> And let's not forget the real challenge: >> - to be able to build Phil's vision faster in LK than to mock it up >> elsewhere ;-) >> >> - Dan >> >> (*) truly these are simple tweaks for the most part -- nothing like >> getting WebDAV or SVG working. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll post >> a starting task list in the next few days >> >> Seventy-eight people are subscribed to this mailing list for Lively. >> Eighteen people are subscribed to the digest. I want to find at least one >> individual who has interest in contributing to UI mockups for Lively's >> future and to help keep conversation related to this on this mailing >> list alive daily. No coding involved necessarily and it ought to be fun and >> rewarding. >> >> >> I made an effort to get started over at Google Drawings - Google >> Drawings already supports live collaboration. At some point these drawings >> could be exported as SVG and imported into Lively worlds. I'm also currently >> working on a design document to explain some of these drawings and related >> concepts. >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/lively-panel/ >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Philip Weaver >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lively-kernel mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lively-kernel mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > lively-kernel mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel > >
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