On Fri, 2015-02-13 at 03:35 -0700, musikbear wrote:
> ..but dl ( and not including linux) 77k ! since dec !
> * 120 peeps did the survey
> * about 20-30 peeps are 'regulars' on forum
> * forum has 1347 members
> * most logged in at a day : 60
> * FB has 2772 'likes'
> 
> imo these 'social' numbers does not 'match' with the dl numbers..
> it would be extremely interesting to know Why people eiter do not like to
> follow lmms on either platforms or actually does dl, but either never
> install (<-because its free?) or (worse) give up on lmms..
> 

And they never will.  You're only going to see a tiny subset of users
engaged enough to want to keep up to date with the project.  Still, it's
a useful sampling to get feedback from the most engaged users who
happened to see and respond to the survey.

> The number discrepency could also emerge from dl's who does not use
> social-media at all..

Yes.

> One such reason could be that a huge bulk of dl comes from china, and other
> non-english speaking areas?
> 

Also yes.

And don't forget the people who download LMMS, play with it for a few
minutes and either have problems or otherwise decide it isn't for them.
And the users who download multiple times (either they have multiple
machines and re-downloading is easiest for them or they have problems
with the download etc.)  Downloads != active users or even active
installs.  I'll take a wild guess that the active users are <10% of the
download number.

> Several interesting focus point here:
> 
> * Are there any demographic in the dl statistic?
> * Could a 'Would you like to give the project feedback' form be part of the
> installation process?
> * Could the un-installation process have a 'Would you like to tell why you
> choose not to use lmms' (upgraders would be annoyed here, alas)
> 

You could do that, but don't expect data that's much better than what
the survey produced.  There's a reason (having nothing to do with
advertising) that analytics have taken over:  most users generally can't
or won't provide the feedback you really need to know.  If what you
really want to know are active users by platform, what sound system
they're using, is feature X really even being used, what are the most
common bugs, etc. it would be far more useful to implement anonymous
analytics with an easy opt-out mechanism and the data would be orders of
magnitude better.

> Finally, i smiled a bit on the x32 / x64 conversation, and two somewhat
> related storries came to my mind:
> 
> "If you have a fire breaking out in your apartment, What ever you do, do NOT
> call the fire-deperment!
> All Statistics shows, that the more fire-fighters that arives at a fire, the
> worst is the damage"
> 
> "There are three types of lies:
> 1) normal lying
> 2) bloody lying
> 3) statistics"
> 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics



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