Hey Shawn,
Nice and argumented thaughts. Glad that you are openned to see beyond your
own experiences and opinions, differently from the most part of your fellow
ios users. The secret is, stay away from the Ios logic. Try thinking
differently and expecting different ways of working, just as is the case
with, for example, Windows and Mac or Windows and Linux. If you think with
the windows logic when using a mac, you won't achieve much. same goes for
android and the ios logic. The logic difference even doesn't allow those two
platforms' accessibility to be compared completely.
Best,
Miloš Pržić
Twitter: MilosPrzic
Skype: Milosh-hs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawn Kirkpatrick" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Porting to Android
No doubt I had poor sighted assistance. I think we've all had the
experience of having a sighted person read something that they're not sure
about and you don't know exactly how to guide them as to what you need. We
did try the steps you listed but for some reason didn't see anything about
talkback. I don't know if it wasn't there or if the person just didn't see
it. I wish I had known about that power switch trick, that might have
helped things. Is that accross all devices and versions or is it a new
thing?
That's good to hear that there's the swipe left and right gestures to
explore screen elements, determining what's on the screen without these
would be rather difficult.
I really wish there was a comprehensive side by side comparison of ios and
android accessibility instead of trying to pick up all this information in
bits and peaces.
On Wed, 21 Oct 2015, Dave Mielke wrote:
[quoted lines by Shawn Kirkpatrick on 2015/10/21 at 18:42 -0700]
I have pretty much no experience with android but the one experience
I do have was very negative. A few days ago I had an oppertunity to
look at an android phone. This was the latest model from Samsung
(galaxie I think). Even with sighted assistance we could not figure
out how to turn the speech on. I have no doubt that most of this was
user error but the fact that it couldn't be figured out is a big
problem.
You had very poor sighted assistance, then. The first place that the
sighted
person should've looked was in Settings. Had he looked there, he'd have
seen
Accessibility. Had he looked in there, he'd have seen TalkBack, with an
enable/disable switch beside it.
To turn on accessibility without sighted assistance, hold the power
switch for
about a second till the phone beeps. This brings up the global actions
dialog
(which some people think of as the power off dialog). On that screen, hld
two
fingers down till the phone begins to talk.
Another example would be that android doesn't have a gesture to move
from
element to element to explore the screen (feel free to correct this if
it's
wrong) but you have to move your finger around all parts of the screen
to see
what's there.
That's simply not true at all. Swiping your finger to the right moves to
the
next screen element, and swiping your finger to the left moves to the
previous
screen element. You can disable this, of course, by turning Explore by
Touch
off. :-) There are many more gestures than just these two. Also, yes, you
can
explore the screen by moving your finger around on it as well, which is
very
useful when you want to learn how various screen elements are positioned
with
respect to one another.
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