Hi Martin, On 9 June 2010 14:07, Martin Owens <[email protected]> wrote: > Clarification on the current state of the Massachusetts LoCo team and > the tarnishing of our good name on this mailing list: >
It wasn't my intention to besmirch the good name of your LoCo. I was merely trying to highlight that Dannys perceptions are probably based on the activities he's experienced in his local team(s) and as such may not apply to all LoCos, hence a wholesale 'this is how it is, so we should move to libreplanet' might be somewhat misguided if based on false assumptions. > On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 13:29 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > We will gladly accept people from the entire spectrum of FOSS, if we > were holding an event with Fedora then I'd expect to see both Ubuntu and > Fedora CDs. Of course the only people we've had trouble with is the FSF > who don't like Ubuntu CDs given out at their events, fair enough I > suppose. > Indeed, if you're running the show then you get to set the rules. If the FSF run an event I would fully expect them to require hazmat suits when touching apple equipment, and a propensity towards using wired over wifi. :) However (and this is my beef) _if_ Dannys proposition (remember it's titled "_move_ to libreplanet", not "_join_ libreplanet as well as your loco") is to do exactly that then we fall under the spell of the FSF when attending LibrePlanet events. As such it would be almost certainly verboten to distribute the evil tainted Ubuntu CDs (despite them having a 'free software only' installation option). Note the GNU wiki that is linked from LibrePlanet lists almost _no_ LUGs in the UK despite there being over a hundred of them. This is either an oversight on their part, or could it be because they are LUGs and not GNU/LUGs? >> So don't. Use a LUG/FLOSS banner instead or as well as. > > The MA LoCo doesn't have a FOSS/LUG banner, so this even was an Ubuntu > event and it was unfortunate that the people couldn't get over > themselves to promote FOSS, but the event went down and it was very > successful. > I realise that Danny implied both a literal and actual banner, my reply was more literal. I probably should have phrased it as "Attend the event under a LUG/FLOSS name instead or as well as". I'm certainly not suggesting that the LoCo should fund banners for every other non-LoCo team in the area, but merely use the name / brand of that group (with their permission and/or attendance) if appropriate. >> Perhaps that says more about your group that people feel it's >> exclusive, than Ubuntu or indeed the people themselves. Also note that >> in every community there are people who don't/won't contribute for >> some reason or another. > > I hope not, I've worked hard to make sure that our culture is inclusive > that people have self authority to go out there and run all kinds of > events, get together and be polite and kindly with each other. I think you might have misunderstood my point. In every community there are people who lurk, this is normal. They subscribe to 'our' mailing lists, watch discussion in the irc channels and read the forums. We should not be expecting 100% of them to contribute. If we do, then we're going to be sorely disappointed, it won't happen. You can't _make_ people contribute. You can set the conditions so that they _might_ if they want to, but you can't force them, and I wouldn't want to see a LoCo try. > I hope I've made clear that the LoCo isn't loco. > Sure, sorry if it sounded like I was picking on your loco, I wasn't. > Also look kindly towards Danny, I don't think he means to suggest that > LoCo teams be shut down, but that their membership might be interested > in joining another team. > "Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet " is an incredibly poor choice of subject, and the content doesn't match what you describe if that is indeed Dannys intention. Perhaps Danny can clarify himself? Cheers, Al. -- loco-contacts mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
