Hola,

> Some of the vendors are behind - WebSphere v6 (latest available) is at
> JDK1.3.

I don't think so.  Even later versions of WebSphere 5.x support JDK
1.4.  See for example:
http://www.websphere-world.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1164.

The argument for supporting older JDKs is not about vendor adoption. 
Every vendor worth their name will have Tiger (J2SE 5.0) support very
soon because they J2EE 1.5 spec requires it.

I think a better argument for supporting older JDKs can be made in
light of the competition from java.util.logging (JUL).  JUL became
available with Sun JDK 1.4 and for many users offers everything they
need.  To remain the top option in the future, log4j must either offer
unique features (for example the plugin/receiver framework) or support
a broader subset of JDKs.  By that I don't just mean older ones, but
also less traditional ones like GNU Classpath, Kaffe, and Apache
Harmony as it gets closer to prime time.

Unfortunately we've now spent many months essentially assuring that
log4j 1.3 is fully backwards-compatible instead of focusing on new and
innovative features.  This compatibility is a noble goal, but I think
we're at a crossing point where we need to decide where to focus.

I strongly stress that I'm not criticizing anyone: what the project
does reflects the interests of our members, as always.  I'll be the
first to admit that I've contributed very little to log4j this past
year and change, and I wish I had more time to write some cool new
code for 2.0.  I think the people working on backwards comptability
have done a great job, and Mark has done an awesome job keeping us in
check.  But I wish we would step back for a second and look at what
would make log4j the top logging choice not just now, but for a couple
of years in the future, given what we know about J2EE 1.5, the JVMPI /
JVMDI improvements in Tiger, and other similar opportunities to put
together new differentiating features, like loggers and appenders once
were...

Yoav

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Yoav Shapira
Senior Architect
Nimalex LLC
1 Mifflin Place, Suite 310
Cambridge, MA, USA
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