Hi, >> I am due to file another quarterly board report and will mention your >> concerns. You are also free to petition the ASF Board. >> >> Except in extraordinary circumstances, the PMC chair should have no >> more control over the direction of the project than any other PMC >> member. The PMC chair is required to report to the board quarterly or >> as directed by the board and is responsible for managing SVN rights. >> Nothing prevents anyone else from sending an email to [email protected] >> if the PMC chair is out of line. Managing SVN rights should be in >> response to a PMC vote.
having this in mind, a PMC chair is a person who fills out the reports for the board. > In the Apache projects I am familiar with, the PMC chair put his or > her chair up for elections every year or so. While I cannot point you > to a document stating this on black or white, as far as I know, > holding elections for the PMC-chair position is part of the Apache > tradition. I only know MINA doing regular votes on the PMC chair. I even don't know who is it in Commons world. I cannot remember a vote on the chair too, but i might have missed it. > When I and later Mark Womack held the position of Logging > PMC chair, we both put up our seats for elections every year. It is > ironic that you should point out that QOS.ch does follow the Apache > governance model and then proceed to justify that indefinitely holding > on to your position as chairman does not formally contravene the > Apache model, all in the same thread. I think Curt has done a very well job in the past years. As far as I can see he is one of the guys who kept this project alive for a time. Without him, Log4J as a Apache project might have died a while ago. That said, I think there were no interest of anybody here to step up as a chair. As Curt already pointed out, a chair is nothing else than a PMC member who reports to the board. The direction of the project is not given by its chair but by the PMC, the committers and at least from the community itself. Curt has a strong voice in Log4J world. It is not because he "reigns" or "leads" this project. It is because he cared about it. This is - in my eyes the difference to QOS (which I don't know very well) were a leader is giving the direction. At least, he wouldn't do things which are not in line with the community; if he does errors (what we all do from time to time) he has already proven to correct it and to wait until the issue is solved. What I want to say is, that Curt has done a very good job and having the chair for a long while is not against Apache principles in my eyes. What you said sounds a bit like he would have taken over complete control, but I cannot see this. > Asking you to put up your seat for elections after five years is a > reasonable demand. I should not need to petition the board on this > issue. I think asking for a new election is not a bad thing and you might not need to utilize the board for this. I just think that your are asking here for the wrong reasons. However - you are PMC member yourself and I think your voice should be heard too. Just to say clear, the direction of Log4J is not given by the chair but by the community discussion. This said, why not having another election. I don't think its necessary, but if you feel better with that, lets do it. Here is a list of team members: http://logging.apache.org/team-list.html But its out of date. Are there complete lists somewhere? That might be a good start for seeing who is eligible. On another note: the whole discussions of the past days are full of emotions, sometimes quite bad words and problems on a very personal level. Please lets keep this outside and continue on a objective and a more "nice" level. This all is what we should enjoy - it should not frustrate anybody of us. Cheers, Christian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
