Well, actually if you don't have any "real" implementation the API has 
something equivalent to the simple logger in Commons Logging. It isn't too 
useful.  Core provides the "real" Log4j 2 implementation.  User's code against 
the classes in the API jar but also need the core jar to run.  The "combined" 
jar replaces both of those.

Ralph

On Nov 1, 2012, at 7:28 AM, Paul Benedict wrote:

> Correct me if wrong, but doesn't "core" provide the default logging 
> implementation?
> 
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Ralph Goers <rgo...@apache.org> wrote:
> OK. The current combined jar only includes API and core and has no required 
> dependencies that are different than core. I am imagining that many will 
> prefer to use this single jar instead of having to include both the API and 
> core jars.  What is your opinion on that and if positive, what would you name 
> it?
> 
> Ralph
> 
> On Nov 1, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Paul Benedict <pbened...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> I may have misunderstood, but I'll give it another shot!
>> 
>> I don't like combined jars. It's because there's too many dependencies 
>> associated with them. It makes the POM kind of worthless because any 
>> extensions are all <optional>true</option> ... so you have to go manually 
>> add those to your Maven project anyway to get them. I think that kind of 
>> defeats the purpose of an all-in-one jar.
>> 
>> My only point was if there is a combined jar that has everything, call it 
>> "-all" not "-combined"
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Tushar Kapila <tgkp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I prefer all.jar or ApiAndCore.jar
>> Even if OSes accept special characters there will always be closed systems 
>> that do not. Exampple hyphen is okay in a domain name but one of the visa 
>> test pit's don't like them
>> 
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