I always thought I liked STV, but here I see this interesting phenomenon. If there are are two polarizing candidates that people either love or hate, the mediocre candidates that people would be most generally happy with get eliminated. Just for fun, I ran that tool with D as an option and A was the clear winner.
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: > Although logo D “won” in the STV results below (and it was my first > choice), I think A should actually be the winner. So no, I don’t think we > are good yet. > > Ralph > > > On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So we're good then? Logo D? > > > On 6 June 2014 16:15, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: > >> I don’t think a runoff is needed. If you look at round 2 in the STV >> results it looks to me that H should have been eliminated instead of A. >> >> Ralph >> >> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I'd support A in the case of a run-off vote. It has a number 2 in it >> rather subtly :) >> >> >> On 6 June 2014 15:45, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 6 Jun 2014, at 22:13, Paul Benedict wrote: >>> >>>> By nonbonding, Ralph means to say there is no secured money behind my >>>> vote. >>>> >>> >>> hahaha :-) It took me almost a minute to find the joke :) >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I should also add that the results below do not include Paul’s >>>>> nonbonding >>>>> vote. He selected A as his top choice which would have given it the >>>>> most >>>>> first place votes. >>>>> >>>> >>> As the "winner" of this contest I would like to offer to reconsider. >>> When I look on the votes below, it looks like some of the voters really >>> dislike >>> my version of the logo - its more love or hate it. >>> >>> Logo A on the other side seems to be "Ok" for most of us, some liking it >>> more >>> than others. >>> >>> With that being said, I would prefer to have a logo which works for us >>> "most" >>> than one which is loved by 50% and hated by the other 50%. >>> >>> In addition I think Murads logo is more artistic than mine. >>> >>> Now, if others agree I would be fine with: >>> >>> - just choosing A as it feels more like a real consensus >>> - doing a A vs D vote to make sure what people want >>> >>> I know this was maybe not covered by the rules, if you see that the >>> "winner" >>> has no problem with a run off vote... personally I think we should do >>> that. >>> >>> Regards >>> Christian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Ralph >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:03 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Below are the results from STV as calculated by >>>>> http://paul-lockett.co.uk/stv.html. This indicates that D is the >>>>> winning >>>>> logo. However, after looking at the votes it isn’t clear to me why A >>>>> isn’t >>>>> the winner as it had more first and second place votes. also, if you >>>>> go >>>>> through the votes and rank A and D based on which is ranked highest in >>>>> each >>>>> vote you would get A - 4, D - 3. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> Ralph >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> SINGLE TRANSFERABLE VOTE COUNTER >>>>> *Candidates=9 Seats=1 Votes=7 Quota=3.5* >>>>> >>>>> Raw votes >>>>> vote 1: (D) (A) (B) (I) (E) (F) (H) (G) (C) >>>>> vote 2: (D) (B) (A) (H) (C) (I) (E) (F) (G) >>>>> vote 3: (H) (E) (F) (A) (B) (C) (I) (G) (D) >>>>> vote 4: (G) (C) (D) (I) (H) (F) (A) (B) (E) >>>>> vote 5: (H) (G) (I) (A) (E) (F) (B) (D) (C) >>>>> vote 6: (A) (C) (B) (H) (G) (D) (I) (E) (F) >>>>> vote 7: (A) (B) (D) (H) (C) (E) (F) (G) (I) >>>>> *Round 1 votes* >>>>> >>>>> vote 1: (D) (A) (B) (I) (E) (F) (H) (G) (C) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 2: (D) (B) (A) (H) (C) (I) (E) (F) (G) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 3: (H) (E) (F) (A) (B) (C) (I) (G) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 4: (G) (C) (D) (I) (H) (F) (A) (B) (E) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 5: (H) (G) (I) (A) (E) (F) (B) (D) (C) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 6: (A) (C) (B) (H) (G) (D) (I) (E) (F) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 7: (A) (B) (D) (H) (C) (E) (F) (G) (I) vote value = 1 >>>>> A = 2 >>>>> B = 0 >>>>> C = 0 >>>>> D = 2 >>>>> E = 0 >>>>> F = 0 >>>>> G = 1 >>>>> H = 2 >>>>> I = 0 >>>>> >>>>> Fewest votes won by a candidate = 1. >>>>> Number of candidates with the fewest votes = 1. >>>>> G is eliminated. >>>>> *Round 2 votes* >>>>> >>>>> vote 1: (D) (A) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 2: (D) (A) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 3: (H) (A) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 4: (D) (H) (A) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 5: (H) (A) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 6: (A) (H) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 7: (A) (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>> A = 2 >>>>> B = 0 >>>>> C = 0 >>>>> D = 3 >>>>> E = 0 >>>>> F = 0 >>>>> G = 0 >>>>> H = 2 >>>>> I = 0 >>>>> >>>>> Fewest votes won by a candidate = 2. >>>>> Number of candidates with the fewest votes = 2. >>>>> The tiebreaker loser is A. >>>>> A is eliminated. >>>>> *Round 3 votes* >>>>> >>>>> vote 1: (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 2: (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 3: (H) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 4: (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 5: (H) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 6: (H) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>> vote 7: (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>> A = 0 >>>>> B = 0 >>>>> C = 0 >>>>> D = 4 >>>>> E = 0 >>>>> F = 0 >>>>> G = 0 >>>>> H = 3 >>>>> I = 0 >>>>> >>>>> Most votes currently held by a candidate = 4. >>>>> Number of candidates with the greatest number of votes = 1. >>>>> D has exceeded the quota and is elected. If there are seats remaining >>>>> to >>>>> be filled, the surplus will now be reallocated. >>>>> *The election is complete and the elected candidates are (D).* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> My vote: ABDHCEFGI >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> On 3 Jun 2014, at 22:08, Ralph Goers wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It is time to select a logo. The list of candidates can be found at >>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/logging/Log4jLogoNominations as those having >>>>> at >>>>> least two supporters and are arbitrarily identified as A through I. >>>>> >>>>> This vote will use STV to calculate the results. This means your vote >>>>> should consist of from 1 to 9 letters identifying the logos in order of >>>>> preference from first to last. >>>>> >>>>> The key idea to keep in mind is that the ordering of your votes is >>>>> crucial. Those who you *really* want to be elected should be at the >>>>> beginning/start of the list. For example: >>>>> >>>>> Aragorn, Frodo, Bilbo, Sam, Sauron, Gandalf, Treebeard, Gollum, Gimli >>>>> >>>>> means that you really want Aragorn to be elected (he’s your primary >>>>> preferred person), followed by Frodo (you want Frodo on the board more >>>>> than >>>>> you want Bilbo, Sam and Sauron, but not as much as you want Aragorn), >>>>> followed by Bilbo, etc… >>>>> >>>>> In this vote only the top logo will be selected but STV will identify >>>>> the >>>>> winner using all the votes. >>>>> >>>>> This vote will remain open for 72 hours. 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