What do you mean you ran the tool with D as an option? If you look at the votes there were a couple of votes that clearly disliked D. With A there was only one vote that had it in the bottom third.
To me it seems obvious that A should be the winner despite what the tool said. But I don't want to unilaterally declare that. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Bruce Brouwer <bruce.brou...@gmail.com> wrote: > > And I'm not trying to suggest "A" is a mediocre choice. Maybe moderate would > be a better word. A was actually my first choice, so take anything I say with > a grain of salt. > > >> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Bruce Brouwer <bruce.brou...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> I always thought I liked STV, but here I see this interesting phenomenon. If >> there are are two polarizing candidates that people either love or hate, the >> mediocre candidates that people would be most generally happy with get >> eliminated. Just for fun, I ran that tool with D as an option and A was the >> clear winner. >> >> >>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>> wrote: >>> Although logo D “won” in the STV results below (and it was my first >>> choice), I think A should actually be the winner. So no, I don’t think we >>> are good yet. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> So we're good then? Logo D? >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 6 June 2014 16:15, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: >>>>> I don’t think a runoff is needed. If you look at round 2 in the STV >>>>> results it looks to me that H should have been eliminated instead of A. >>>>> >>>>> Ralph >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd support A in the case of a run-off vote. It has a number 2 in it >>>>>> rather subtly :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6 June 2014 15:45, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 6 Jun 2014, at 22:13, Paul Benedict wrote: >>>>>>>> By nonbonding, Ralph means to say there is no secured money behind my >>>>>>>> vote. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> hahaha :-) It took me almost a minute to find the joke :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Ralph Goers >>>>>>>> <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I should also add that the results below do not include Paul’s >>>>>>>>> nonbonding >>>>>>>>> vote. He selected A as his top choice which would have given it the >>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>> first place votes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the "winner" of this contest I would like to offer to reconsider. >>>>>>> When I look on the votes below, it looks like some of the voters really >>>>>>> dislike >>>>>>> my version of the logo - its more love or hate it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Logo A on the other side seems to be "Ok" for most of us, some liking >>>>>>> it more >>>>>>> than others. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With that being said, I would prefer to have a logo which works for us >>>>>>> "most" >>>>>>> than one which is loved by 50% and hated by the other 50%. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In addition I think Murads logo is more artistic than mine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, if others agree I would be fine with: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - just choosing A as it feels more like a real consensus >>>>>>> - doing a A vs D vote to make sure what people want >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know this was maybe not covered by the rules, if you see that the >>>>>>> "winner" >>>>>>> has no problem with a run off vote... personally I think we should do >>>>>>> that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:03 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Below are the results from STV as calculated by >>>>>>>>> http://paul-lockett.co.uk/stv.html. This indicates that D is the >>>>>>>>> winning >>>>>>>>> logo. However, after looking at the votes it isn’t clear to me why A >>>>>>>>> isn’t >>>>>>>>> the winner as it had more first and second place votes. also, if you >>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>> through the votes and rank A and D based on which is ranked highest >>>>>>>>> in each >>>>>>>>> vote you would get A - 4, D - 3. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> SINGLE TRANSFERABLE VOTE COUNTER >>>>>>>>> *Candidates=9 Seats=1 Votes=7 Quota=3.5* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Raw votes >>>>>>>>> vote 1: (D) (A) (B) (I) (E) (F) (H) (G) (C) >>>>>>>>> vote 2: (D) (B) (A) (H) (C) (I) (E) (F) (G) >>>>>>>>> vote 3: (H) (E) (F) (A) (B) (C) (I) (G) (D) >>>>>>>>> vote 4: (G) (C) (D) (I) (H) (F) (A) (B) (E) >>>>>>>>> vote 5: (H) (G) (I) (A) (E) (F) (B) (D) (C) >>>>>>>>> vote 6: (A) (C) (B) (H) (G) (D) (I) (E) (F) >>>>>>>>> vote 7: (A) (B) (D) (H) (C) (E) (F) (G) (I) >>>>>>>>> *Round 1 votes* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> vote 1: (D) (A) (B) (I) (E) (F) (H) (G) (C) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 2: (D) (B) (A) (H) (C) (I) (E) (F) (G) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 3: (H) (E) (F) (A) (B) (C) (I) (G) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 4: (G) (C) (D) (I) (H) (F) (A) (B) (E) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 5: (H) (G) (I) (A) (E) (F) (B) (D) (C) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 6: (A) (C) (B) (H) (G) (D) (I) (E) (F) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 7: (A) (B) (D) (H) (C) (E) (F) (G) (I) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> A = 2 >>>>>>>>> B = 0 >>>>>>>>> C = 0 >>>>>>>>> D = 2 >>>>>>>>> E = 0 >>>>>>>>> F = 0 >>>>>>>>> G = 1 >>>>>>>>> H = 2 >>>>>>>>> I = 0 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fewest votes won by a candidate = 1. >>>>>>>>> Number of candidates with the fewest votes = 1. >>>>>>>>> G is eliminated. >>>>>>>>> *Round 2 votes* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> vote 1: (D) (A) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 2: (D) (A) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 3: (H) (A) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 4: (D) (H) (A) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 5: (H) (A) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 6: (A) (H) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 7: (A) (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> A = 2 >>>>>>>>> B = 0 >>>>>>>>> C = 0 >>>>>>>>> D = 3 >>>>>>>>> E = 0 >>>>>>>>> F = 0 >>>>>>>>> G = 0 >>>>>>>>> H = 2 >>>>>>>>> I = 0 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fewest votes won by a candidate = 2. >>>>>>>>> Number of candidates with the fewest votes = 2. >>>>>>>>> The tiebreaker loser is A. >>>>>>>>> A is eliminated. >>>>>>>>> *Round 3 votes* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> vote 1: (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 2: (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 3: (H) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 4: (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 5: (H) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 6: (H) (D) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> vote 7: (D) (H) vote value = 1 >>>>>>>>> A = 0 >>>>>>>>> B = 0 >>>>>>>>> C = 0 >>>>>>>>> D = 4 >>>>>>>>> E = 0 >>>>>>>>> F = 0 >>>>>>>>> G = 0 >>>>>>>>> H = 3 >>>>>>>>> I = 0 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most votes currently held by a candidate = 4. >>>>>>>>> Number of candidates with the greatest number of votes = 1. >>>>>>>>> D has exceeded the quota and is elected. If there are seats remaining >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be filled, the surplus will now be reallocated. >>>>>>>>> *The election is complete and the elected candidates are (D).* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My vote: ABDHCEFGI >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 3 Jun 2014, at 22:08, Ralph Goers wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is time to select a logo. The list of candidates can be found at >>>>>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/logging/Log4jLogoNominations as those having >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>> least two supporters and are arbitrarily identified as A through I. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This vote will use STV to calculate the results. This means your vote >>>>>>>>> should consist of from 1 to 9 letters identifying the logos in order >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> preference from first to last. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The key idea to keep in mind is that the ordering of your votes is >>>>>>>>> crucial. Those who you *really* want to be elected should be at the >>>>>>>>> beginning/start of the list. For example: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Aragorn, Frodo, Bilbo, Sam, Sauron, Gandalf, Treebeard, Gollum, Gimli >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> means that you really want Aragorn to be elected (he’s your primary >>>>>>>>> preferred person), followed by Frodo (you want Frodo on the board >>>>>>>>> more than >>>>>>>>> you want Bilbo, Sam and Sauron, but not as much as you want Aragorn), >>>>>>>>> followed by Bilbo, etc… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In this vote only the top logo will be selected but STV will identify >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> winner using all the votes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This vote will remain open for 72 hours. 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