I see. I agree that the original format is much nicer. 

Matt, do you think you can achieve this with the builders?

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> On 2014/06/16, at 1:29, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> 
> While you improved some of the existing messages, you really didm’t address 
> what I wanted fixed. The previous debug logs would have had messages similar 
> to:
> 
> Calling createLayout on class 
> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.layout.PatternLayout for element PatternLayout 
> with params(pattern="%d{HH:mm:ss.SSS} [%t] %-5level %logger{36} - %msg%n", 
> Configuration(D:\rista\eclipsekws\.metadata\.plugins\org.eclipse.wst.server.core\tmp1\wtpwebapps\log4j2.0-test\WEB-INF\classes\test-log4j.xml),
>  null, charset="null", alwaysWriteExceptions="null")
> 
> Calling createAppender on class 
> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.appender.ConsoleAppender for element Console 
> with params(PatternLayout(%d{HH:mm:ss.SSS} [%t] %-5level %logger{36} - 
> %msg%n), null, target="SYSTEM_OUT", name="console", follow="null", 
> ignoreExceptions="null")
> 
> Calling createAppenderRef on class 
> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.AppenderRef for element appender-ref 
> with params(ref="console", level="null", null)
> 2013-09-20 15:06:55,749 DEBUG Calling createLogger on class 
> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.LoggerConfig$RootLogger for element root 
> with params(additivity="null", level="error", includeLocation="null", 
> AppenderRef={console}, Properties={}, 
> Configuration(D:\rista\eclipsekws\.metadata\.plugins\org.eclipse.wst.server.core\tmp1\wtpwebapps\log4j2.0-test\WEB-INF\classes\test-log4j.xml),
>  null)
> 
> The current log emits stuff like:
> 
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,432 DEBUG Building Plugin[name=layout, 
> class=org.apache.logging.log4j.core.layout.XmlLayout]. Searching for builder 
> factory method...
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,435 DEBUG No builder factory method found in class 
> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.layout.XmlLayout.
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,435 DEBUG Still building Plugin[name=layout, 
> class=org.apache.logging.log4j.core.layout.XmlLayout]. Searching for factory 
> method...
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,436 DEBUG Found factory method [createLayout]: public 
> static org.apache.logging.log4j.core.layout.XmlLayout 
> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.layout.XmlLayout.createLayout(boolean,boolean,boolean,boolean,java.nio.charset.Charset).
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,436 DEBUG Generating parameters for factory method 
> [createLayout]...
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,456 DEBUG Attribute(locationInfo="false") - no value 
> specified, using default.
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,456 DEBUG Attribute(properties="false") - no value 
> specified, using default.
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,457 DEBUG Attribute(complete="true") - no value 
> specified, using default.
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,457 DEBUG Attribute(compact="false") - no value 
> specified, using default.
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,457 DEBUG Attribute(charset="UTF-8") - no value 
> specified, using default.
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,587 DEBUG Built Plugin[name=layout] OK from factory 
> method.
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,588 DEBUG Building Plugin[name=appender, 
> class=org.apache.logging.log4j.core.appender.FileAppender]. Searching for 
> builder factory method...
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,588 DEBUG No builder factory method found in class 
> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.appender.FileAppender.
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,589 DEBUG Still building Plugin[name=appender, 
> class=org.apache.logging.log4j.core.appender.FileAppender]. Searching for 
> factory method...
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,589 DEBUG Found factory method [createAppender]: public 
> static org.apache.logging.log4j.core.appender.FileAppender 
> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.appender.FileAppender.createAppender(java.lang.String,java.lang.String,java.lang.String,java.lang.String,java.lang.String,java.lang.String,java.lang.String,java.lang.String,org.apache.logging.log4j.core.Layout,org.apache.logging.log4j.core.Filter,java.lang.String,java.lang.String,org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.Configuration).
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,589 DEBUG Generating parameters for factory method 
> [createAppender]...
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,595 DEBUG 
> Attribute(fileName="target/XmlCompleteFileAppenderTest.log")
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,596 DEBUG Attribute(append="false")
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,596 DEBUG Attribute(locking="null")
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,596 DEBUG Attribute(name="XmlFile")
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,597 DEBUG Attribute(immediateFlush="false")
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,597 DEBUG Attribute(ignoreExceptions="null")
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,597 DEBUG Attribute(bufferedIo="null")
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,598 DEBUG Attribute(bufferSize="null")
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,598 DEBUG 
> XMLLayout(org.apache.logging.log4j.core.layout.XmlLayout@5eef9f84)
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,598 DEBUG Attribute(advertise="null")
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,599 DEBUG Attribute(advertiseUri="null")
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,599 DEBUG 
> Configuration(/Users/rgoers/projects/apache/logging/log4j/log4j2/trunk/log4j-core/target/test-classes/XmlCompleteFileAppenderTest.xml)
> 2014-06-15 09:07:19,601 DEBUG Starting FileManager 
> target/XmlCompleteFileAppenderTest.log
> 
> The previous format was a lot more compact as it essentially showed you the 
> parameters being passed to the factory method in one line while identifying 
> the class it came from and the configuration element that triggered it. The 
> new log emits that info as individual lines with a few messages that are just 
> noise.
> 
> Ralph
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Remko Popma <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I've done some work on this, there may be more places to improve, I mainly 
>> focused on PluginBuilder and PluginAttributeVisitor.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:09 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yeah, I liked the prettier logging format. I was planning to add it back 
>>> in, but it appears as though I completely forgot about it! The "new" format 
>>> was a quick placeholder. I'll try and work on that this week.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 10 June 2014 19:47, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Maybe Matt can shed a light on this?
>>>> 
>>>> Gary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Ralph Goers <rgo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> I don't know exactly what I would be vetoing.  I have no problem with 
>>>>> some of the refactoring. The commit(s) that changed the logging probably 
>>>>> happened weeks ago and I am just noticing now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But yes, I want the logging aspect of the changes reverted back to what 
>>>>> was previously being done.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, for Log4j Plugins, one way to configure should be plenty. I am OK 
>>>>>> with the factory method pattern, while it makes for some long 
>>>>>> signatures, I like that it is all in one place.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> May I suggest a simple "-1" reply on the ML on the changes to logging? 
>>>>>> Do you feel a VETO is inappropriate here?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Ralph Goers <rgo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> I think the discussion was not on its own thread.  I thought there was 
>>>>>>> agreement that there should be only one way to configure plugins.  I 
>>>>>>> prefer the factory method simply because it would be a whole lot of 
>>>>>>> effort to convert everything to a builder and I just don't think the 
>>>>>>> benefit is worth the effort.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I spent a lot of time making the debug output "nice" and easily 
>>>>>>> understandable so I am a bit upset that it was tossed and replaced with 
>>>>>>> what you see below.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Ralph Goers 
>>>>>>>>> <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I am working on a new Appender and am noticing that the debug output 
>>>>>>>>> is now far less useful than it used to be. I used to see the factory 
>>>>>>>>> method being invoked with all of its parameters very nicely 
>>>>>>>>> formatted.  Now I see
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-10 16:02:37,858 DEBUG No compatible method annotated with 
>>>>>>>>> interface 
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.plugins.PluginBuilderFactory 
>>>>>>>>> found in class class 
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.web.appender.ServletAppender.
>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-10 16:02:37,858 DEBUG Found factory method class 
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.web.appender.ServletAppender.public static 
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.web.appender.ServletAppender 
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.web.appender.ServletAppender.createAppender(org.apache.logging.log4j.core.Layout,org.apache.logging.log4j.core.Filter,java.lang.String,java.lang.String).
>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-10 16:02:37,864 DEBUG Constructing plugin of type class 
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.web.appender.ServletAppender
>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-10 16:02:37,864 DEBUG PatternLayout(%m%n)
>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-10 16:02:37,864 DEBUG Constructing plugin of type class 
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.web.appender.ServletAppender
>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-10 16:02:37,865 DEBUG Constructing plugin of type class 
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.web.appender.ServletAppender
>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-10 16:02:37,865 DEBUG Attribute(name="Servlet")
>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-10 16:02:37,865 DEBUG Constructing plugin of type class 
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.web.appender.ServletAppender
>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-10 16:02:37,865 DEBUG Null string given to convert. Using 
>>>>>>>>> default [null].
>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-10 16:02:37,866 DEBUG Attribute(ignoreExceptions="null")
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This is far more verbose, repetitive, and is nowhere near as clear as 
>>>>>>>>> it used to be.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Can you please get the logging output back to the old format?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Also, can we change PatternLayout back to a factory and remove the 
>>>>>>>>> message about no builder factory being present?  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think we need to decide how many ways there are to configure a 
>>>>>>>> plugin: factory, builder, and whatever else we've been discussing. 
>>>>>>>> This is getting quite confusing!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I thought we had a thread going on the topic already...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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