My view on this is almost the opposite: I deliberately want to keep the number of choices down. I believe in the Paradox of Choice <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paradox_of_Choice>: that more choices is not always better. I would not want to add standard levels.
I realize this is just my view and others may have a different opinion. But that is why we put a lot of work into making custom levels as easy to use as the built-in levels: all users now have the tools to make their personal preferences reality without impacting anyone else. My personal preference is to have only the current built-in levels and no more. Your preference is to have the additional three levels. Another user may want a NOTICE level that is between DEBUG and TRACE. I was really hoping that custom levels would make us all happy without getting in each other's way. Why don't you give custom levels a chance and try them in your project? On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't want to deal with custom projects in this case I am dealing with > now, and I also think that custom levels play well for domain-specific > levels, not to augment the current system. For example, DEFCON1 through 5, > Hurricane force winds, medical device alerts, things like that. IMO, adding > levels to the current system is a no-brainer, but, I'm not the boss here ;-) > > Gary > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Remko Popma <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This is a divisive issue and I really don't want to spark up the >> discussion again, but have you tried using custom levels for this in your >> projects? >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Gary Gregory (JIRA) <j...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> [ >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-508?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=15031765#comment-15031765 >>> ] >>> >>> Gary Gregory commented on LOG4J2-508: >>> ------------------------------------- >>> >>> This discussion comes up every once in a while, it is not a done deal >>> either way IMO. Not for 2.5 in order to RERO, but still open for >>> discussion, which is why I'd like to leave this ticket open. >>> >>> > Add new Levels: NOTICE, DIAG, VERBOSE. >>> > -------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > Key: LOG4J2-508 >>> > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-508 >>> > Project: Log4j 2 >>> > Issue Type: Improvement >>> > Components: API >>> > Affects Versions: 2.0-beta9 >>> > Environment: Apache Maven 3.1.1 >>> (0728685237757ffbf44136acec0402957f723d9a; 2013-09-17 11:22:22-0400) >>> > Maven home: C:\Java\apache-maven-3.1.1\bin\.. >>> > Java version: 1.7.0_51, vendor: Oracle Corporation >>> > Java home: C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.7.0_51\jre >>> > Default locale: en_US, platform encoding: Cp1252 >>> > OS name: "windows 7", version: "6.1", arch: "amd64", family: "windows" >>> > Reporter: Gary Gregory >>> > Fix For: 2.3 >>> > >>> > >>> > Discussion thread: >>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/logging-log4j-dev/201401.mbox/ajax/%3CBD972E2F-C818-47BD-BB9E-168D52D5D980%40nicholaswilliams.net%3E >>> > The levels: >>> > - FATAL - Hopefully, almost never logged because the system is >>> crashing. >>> > - ERROR - Something affecting the usability of the system occurred. >>> > - WARN - Something not nice, but probably recoverable occurred. May >>> lead to errors later. >>> > - NOTICE - An event for normal, but significant, conditions. >>> > - INFO - Something of general interest, but not necessarily >>> significant. >>> > - DIAG or DIAGNOSTIC - Events that can be used by operations or users >>> to diagnose problems in the system. >>> > - DEBUG - Used by developers for internal debugging. >>> > - VERBOSE - Used to log minute details of the system. As its >>> dictionary definition implies this is extremely chatty. >>> > - TRACE - Adds tracing of method entry and exit, possibly object >>> creation and initialization. >>> > From (with the NOTICE level added) >>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/logging-log4j-dev/201401.mbox/browser >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message was sent by Atlassian JIRA >>> (v6.3.4#6332) >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-h...@logging.apache.org >>> >>> >> > > > -- > E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org > Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition > <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> > JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> > Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> > Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com > Home: http://garygregory.com/ > Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory >
