I think that the most important issue is the scope of coverage.

I am certified as RHCE (3 times)+ RHCI , CLE+ CNI ( linux only, not netware etc.) , LPIC-2 ( and even MCT).

As far as I understand it, the benefit of vendor neutral certification is a matter of freedom, vendor neutral certification is not bound to a specific vendor tools (YaST ) OR vendor specific method.


Basically in vendor oriented certifications , there is always  "the right way to do something" or the right tool to do something. when we talking about vendor neutral certifications there is always "few ways to do something" or few tools to work with .


because of that, the scope of coverage of vendor neutral certification is large  topics  and tools.


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I find the biggest benefit of Vendor Neutral Certification is the fact we know the important parts
of several different systems.
For example, We aren't just some Yum using RPM installers or apt-getting download and smile and do nothings DPKG users... we also have good knowledge on tarballs and configure and make.
The LPI certification also tested our basic scripting skills which can be applied to ANY distro.

But also by basing the certification more around the core of Linux, IE: network config (universal), Disk management (universal), User management (universal), Security/iptables/ipchains/tcp wrappers (universal), Kernel and device/module management (super universal since this is THE core of Linux).
It shows that we as the LPI alumni have more well rounded skillsets and can have an impact on any Linux network
quicker than a vendor specific.

I really couldn't see an Ubuntu Certified Engineer stepping into a SuSE network and getting to work THAT quickly
let alone having them try Gentoo or Slackware.

Just my small .02 to this VNC vs VSC.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [lpi-discuss] Vendor-neutral certification: pro v.s. con
From: "Mustafa Qasim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, March 11, 2008 6:50 am
To: "General discussion relating to LPI." <[email protected]>



On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Ed Sawicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Scott Lamberton wrote:

> "Could we get some user referrals from some LPI certified people who can
> talk about the pros and cons of vendor-neutral certification?"

I'm an advocate of vendor-neutral certification for numerous
reasons. The primary reason is monopolies stifling innovation.
The Microsoft monopoly has had a stranglehold on the computer
industry for over 20 years. These years have been marked by
general stagnation of the industry and exploitation of the
computer-using public.

One example of this is computer viruses. We've had them in
various forms for over 20 years. Rather than solve this
problem, the industry has exploited the problem to create a
revenue stream: anti-virus software, anti-spyware software,
etc.

Corporations tend to solve problems in ways that maximize
their profits. I don't believe this changes just because the
vendor is selling open source software like Linux.
Vendor-specific certifications encourage people to build
social capital in specific brands, thus increasing the
likelihood of monopolistic practices. One day we may replace
the Microsoft monopoly with an equally exploitive Novell or
Red Hat monopoly. We're all better off if certifications are
neutral.

Ed Sawicki
Accelerated Learning Center
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Hi, Well companies buy RedHat/Novell to ensure that someone is on their back if they got stuck .So, they also hire men who know the stuff being used there. Presence of RedHat like companies is as necessary as FOSS itself. Corporate companies are not gonna use any distro. not being supported by a reliable group. Now, If we want to make an ideal vendor neutral certification then we need to put all vendor-neutral skills+vendor specific skills. So, Company will prefer Mr. A holding LPIC over Mr. B holding RHCE.... bcoz Mr.A knows more then any single verdor-specific cert holder. And we people will also love to take single LPIC track instead of holding multiple distro certs.

If not then how a LPIC holder gonna compete with RHCE..etc holders if he isn't master @ some typical things specific to a distro but being used @ where he applied for job.

So, can we say

Vendor neutral != No vendor specific thing
but
Vendor neutral == Things being used in field from every distro.

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