LPI should consider switching from PearsonVue to PeopleCert. I run a training company for certifications and we teach lots of exams.
PeopleCert is much better than PearsonVue for online exams, and fully proctored. Much better experience! Jason On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 10:01 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > Send lpi-examdev mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of lpi-examdev digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? (BHL) > 2. Re: Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? (Bryan Smith) > 3. Re: Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? (Rilindo Foster) > 4. Re: Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? (Bryan Smith) > 5. Re: Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? (Ottavio Caruso) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:10:46 +0000 > From: BHL <[email protected]> > To: LPI Exam Development <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? > Message-ID: > > <8xuTGNk6fjH3L8rCQvQydSTfPf02J9hXBQQErsjIZ7YMzCKYN8Hg7uSsu0W4nRgnmT3eTeKoRuWeXUur1ywAOCZQRUcL7ShtubCkzkbQzMY=@ > protonmail.ch> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Live exams? Hands on? > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > On Saturday, April 17, 2021 2:00 AM, Ottavio Caruso via lpi-examdev < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 at 03:03, Alessandro Selli via lpi-examdev > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > What other choices do we have? > > > > Also, live exams at LPI booths, whenever this pandemic ends, like the > > old BSD certification group used to do. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Ottavio Caruso > > > > lpi-examdev mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:06:15 -0400 > From: Bryan Smith <[email protected]> > To: BHL <[email protected]>, LPI Exam Development > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? > Message-ID: > <CAH1d5rmshQ7OECbE0qhcgU7yJ7RL+deHBy3zW-7top5HT= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 5:11 PM BHL via lpi-examdev < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Live exams? Hands on? > > > > Live, written exams, yes. > LPI events are some of the best places to take exams. > > - bjs > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://list.lpi.org/mailman/private/lpi-examdev/attachments/20210417/1d9f026c/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:04:04 -0500 > From: Rilindo Foster <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], LPI Exam Development > <[email protected]> > Cc: Bryan Smith <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I think the current on-line solution provided by LPI works very well for > most people. The current provider do have some onboarding issues (which I > have encountered in other unrelated certification exams), but once you get > pass that, the user experience is comparable to that of the testing center. > > Now to comment on the couple of other things: > > - A browser-based proctoring tool, as opposed to a separate dedicated app, > is probably a best option if the demand for taking the exam in Linux is > there, since all it is required is a plugin for the browser. PSI uses that > with the Linux Foundation exams. That said, the plugin may be browser > specific, which will make some people unhappy if they want to use a > specific browser for privacy reasons. > > - Having recently taken the Red Hat remote exam, I don’t recommend that > approach, since 1) The support and development effort is likely to be > expensive, cost of which will have to be reflected in the exam price 2) the > work for the test taker to get the environment ready is going to be a pain > (you only need to look at the RH forums to see people running into issues > just trying to boot the USB). > > > > On Apr 16, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Bryan Smith via lpi-examdev < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > To turn this back to LPI, and be constructive ... > > > > What are people looking for in an on-line certification proctoring > solution? > > List everything you can think of. > > > > - bjs > > _______________________________________________ > > lpi-examdev mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 00:14:51 -0400 > From: Bryan Smith <[email protected]> > To: Rilindo Foster <[email protected]> > Cc: Bryan Jon Smith <[email protected]>, LPI Exam Development > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? > Message-ID: > <CAH1d5r= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Peer Note (not speaking on behalf of any entity, just as a peer): > - It's important to put forth what you want out of LPI Certification/Exam > options, so LPI can focus best. > - > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 10:04 PM Rilindo Foster < > [email protected]> > wrote: > > > ... > > - Having recently taken the Red Hat remote exam, I don’t recommend that > > approach, since 1) The support and development effort is likely to be > > expensive, cost of which will have to be reflected in the exam price 2) > the > > work for the test taker to get the environment ready is going to be a > pain > > (you only need to look at the RH forums to see people running into issues > > just trying to boot the USB). > > > > So, since another entity came up, understand I have massive insider > knowledge here. I will only share the bits I can, and are well-known. I > only do this for 'perspective.' > > Having represented another organization for a good decade, 7 years as > direct FTE (full time employee, actual salary and stock grants, etc... not > just a contractor with their address, which is common too), several of > those years supporting both their 'Training' and 'Partner' divisions, the > hands-on/remote-testing is a very costly dedication and has it's own > issues. > > 1) Expensive - It's extremely expensive, about $2K/day ($1K/half-day) in > testing costs -- although the entity to subsidize much of that with > Training, that's now not quite the same case > > 2) Kiosk-issues - The Kiosk approach saves some, but it has its system > requirements and connection issues -- things that aren't as good in-person, > let alone one still cannot just go to any Prometric or Pearson-Vue location > > 3) Partner-alternative - The entity's wouldn't accept the in-person and, > later, Kiosk approach for 80-90%+ of their associates (definitely sales > engineers, but even technical implementation personnel too), so even -- for > much of partners, and even some of the entity's internal, associate > training -- we developed another program because the traditional, hands-on > and remote-systems don't scale as well (and there were 'ownership' issues I > cannot go into) > > For those of us who paid out-of-pocket for #1 (I even did as a direct, FTE > -- weird 'costing,' long story), when #2 fails, it's not just the exam > costs, but the travel costs too. I've had 1 out of 3 of my appointments > fail entirely, and have to be rescheduled, which ultimately led to my > losing my Architect (RHCA) certification (while still a direct FTE). > > As far as #3, I even named the specific partner program, and was directly > responsible (with a handful of other people) for its first 6 months (long > story, most I cannot share). This finally led to their Training (and > Certification) doing the same (I was also involved with them) later2014, > eventually leading to the learning subscriptions too. It also has had its > issues. Even when I worked at one of their strategic, on-line partners 4 > years later, our dedicated systems/networks (yes, dedicated optical > lambdas) we augmented their existing AWS infrastructure at times. > > It's getting much better again for them. Lots of good people, resourceful > involved. But it's far from rosey, and when you pay US$7,000/year > out-of-pocket ($3,500/year if you're an RHCA, 50% off, like I did), you > don't like to have issues. Everyone's experiences will vary, but keep this > in mind ... > > If this entity has issues, and has several hundreds of times the revenue of > LPI (let alone makes money on Training, unlike LPI) ... it means everyone > does. ;) > > > -- > Bryan J Smith - http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjsmith > E-mail: b.j.smith at ieee.org or me at bjsmith.me > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://list.lpi.org/mailman/private/lpi-examdev/attachments/20210418/42a3c17c/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 09:00:43 +0100 > From: Ottavio Caruso <[email protected]> > To: LPI Exam Development <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? > Message-ID: > <CAEJNuHxizw_Bj4CZ6P+5iAit62jgGqEm4woEF60CCwT0= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 at 01:06, Bryan Smith via lpi-examdev > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 5:11 PM BHL via lpi-examdev < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Live exams? Hands on? > > > > > > Live, written exams, yes. > > LPI events are some of the best places to take exams. > > > > Don't forget *BSD meetings, such as EuroBSDCon, BSDCan, pkgsrcCon, etc. > > > -- > Ottavio Caruso > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > lpi-examdev mailing list > [email protected] > https://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > > ------------------------------ > > End of lpi-examdev Digest, Vol 146, Issue 9 > ******************************************* > -- Jason Dion [email protected] Dion Training Solutions, LLC www.DionTraining.com
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