Hi Jason, Thanks for the suggestion. Our contract with VUE is up for review/renewal this year so we can consider alternative delivery systems for next year.
PS - I was waiting for the fervor to die down on this topic, then my response got "stuck" in my Drafts folder. Take care, --matt On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 4:36 AM Jason Dion via lpi-examdev < [email protected]> wrote: > LPI should consider switching from PearsonVue to PeopleCert. > > I run a training company for certifications and we teach lots of exams. > > PeopleCert is much better than PearsonVue for online exams, and fully > proctored. > > Much better experience! > Jason > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 10:01 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Send lpi-examdev mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of lpi-examdev digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? (BHL) >> 2. Re: Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? (Bryan Smith) >> 3. Re: Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? (Rilindo Foster) >> 4. Re: Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? (Bryan Smith) >> 5. Re: Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? (Ottavio Caruso) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:10:46 +0000 >> From: BHL <[email protected]> >> To: LPI Exam Development <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? >> Message-ID: >> >> <8xuTGNk6fjH3L8rCQvQydSTfPf02J9hXBQQErsjIZ7YMzCKYN8Hg7uSsu0W4nRgnmT3eTeKoRuWeXUur1ywAOCZQRUcL7ShtubCkzkbQzMY=@ >> protonmail.ch> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Live exams? Hands on? >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >> On Saturday, April 17, 2021 2:00 AM, Ottavio Caruso via lpi-examdev < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 at 03:03, Alessandro Selli via lpi-examdev >> > [email protected] wrote: >> > >> > > What other choices do we have? >> > >> > Also, live exams at LPI booths, whenever this pandemic ends, like the >> > old BSD certification group used to do. >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Ottavio Caruso >> > >> > lpi-examdev mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:06:15 -0400 >> From: Bryan Smith <[email protected]> >> To: BHL <[email protected]>, LPI Exam Development >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? >> Message-ID: >> <CAH1d5rmshQ7OECbE0qhcgU7yJ7RL+deHBy3zW-7top5HT= >> [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 5:11 PM BHL via lpi-examdev < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Live exams? Hands on? >> > >> >> Live, written exams, yes. >> LPI events are some of the best places to take exams. >> >> - bjs >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> https://list.lpi.org/mailman/private/lpi-examdev/attachments/20210417/1d9f026c/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:04:04 -0500 >> From: Rilindo Foster <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected], LPI Exam Development >> <[email protected]> >> Cc: Bryan Smith <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> I think the current on-line solution provided by LPI works very well for >> most people. The current provider do have some onboarding issues (which I >> have encountered in other unrelated certification exams), but once you get >> pass that, the user experience is comparable to that of the testing center. >> >> Now to comment on the couple of other things: >> >> - A browser-based proctoring tool, as opposed to a separate dedicated >> app, is probably a best option if the demand for taking the exam in Linux >> is there, since all it is required is a plugin for the browser. PSI uses >> that with the Linux Foundation exams. That said, the plugin may be browser >> specific, which will make some people unhappy if they want to use a >> specific browser for privacy reasons. >> >> - Having recently taken the Red Hat remote exam, I don’t recommend that >> approach, since 1) The support and development effort is likely to be >> expensive, cost of which will have to be reflected in the exam price 2) the >> work for the test taker to get the environment ready is going to be a pain >> (you only need to look at the RH forums to see people running into issues >> just trying to boot the USB). >> >> >> > On Apr 16, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Bryan Smith via lpi-examdev < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > To turn this back to LPI, and be constructive ... >> > >> > What are people looking for in an on-line certification proctoring >> solution? >> > List everything you can think of. >> > >> > - bjs >> > _______________________________________________ >> > lpi-examdev mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 00:14:51 -0400 >> From: Bryan Smith <[email protected]> >> To: Rilindo Foster <[email protected]> >> Cc: Bryan Jon Smith <[email protected]>, LPI Exam Development >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? >> Message-ID: >> <CAH1d5r= >> [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Peer Note (not speaking on behalf of any entity, just as a peer): >> - It's important to put forth what you want out of LPI Certification/Exam >> options, so LPI can focus best. >> - >> >> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 10:04 PM Rilindo Foster < >> [email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > ... >> > - Having recently taken the Red Hat remote exam, I don’t recommend that >> > approach, since 1) The support and development effort is likely to be >> > expensive, cost of which will have to be reflected in the exam price 2) >> the >> > work for the test taker to get the environment ready is going to be a >> pain >> > (you only need to look at the RH forums to see people running into >> issues >> > just trying to boot the USB). >> > >> >> So, since another entity came up, understand I have massive insider >> knowledge here. I will only share the bits I can, and are well-known. I >> only do this for 'perspective.' >> >> Having represented another organization for a good decade, 7 years as >> direct FTE (full time employee, actual salary and stock grants, etc... not >> just a contractor with their address, which is common too), several of >> those years supporting both their 'Training' and 'Partner' divisions, the >> hands-on/remote-testing is a very costly dedication and has it's own >> issues. >> >> 1) Expensive - It's extremely expensive, about $2K/day ($1K/half-day) in >> testing costs -- although the entity to subsidize much of that with >> Training, that's now not quite the same case >> >> 2) Kiosk-issues - The Kiosk approach saves some, but it has its system >> requirements and connection issues -- things that aren't as good >> in-person, >> let alone one still cannot just go to any Prometric or Pearson-Vue >> location >> >> 3) Partner-alternative - The entity's wouldn't accept the in-person and, >> later, Kiosk approach for 80-90%+ of their associates (definitely sales >> engineers, but even technical implementation personnel too), so even -- >> for >> much of partners, and even some of the entity's internal, associate >> training -- we developed another program because the traditional, >> hands-on >> and remote-systems don't scale as well (and there were 'ownership' issues >> I >> cannot go into) >> >> For those of us who paid out-of-pocket for #1 (I even did as a direct, FTE >> -- weird 'costing,' long story), when #2 fails, it's not just the exam >> costs, but the travel costs too. I've had 1 out of 3 of my appointments >> fail entirely, and have to be rescheduled, which ultimately led to my >> losing my Architect (RHCA) certification (while still a direct FTE). >> >> As far as #3, I even named the specific partner program, and was directly >> responsible (with a handful of other people) for its first 6 months (long >> story, most I cannot share). This finally led to their Training (and >> Certification) doing the same (I was also involved with them) later2014, >> eventually leading to the learning subscriptions too. It also has had its >> issues. Even when I worked at one of their strategic, on-line partners 4 >> years later, our dedicated systems/networks (yes, dedicated optical >> lambdas) we augmented their existing AWS infrastructure at times. >> >> It's getting much better again for them. Lots of good people, resourceful >> involved. But it's far from rosey, and when you pay US$7,000/year >> out-of-pocket ($3,500/year if you're an RHCA, 50% off, like I did), you >> don't like to have issues. Everyone's experiences will vary, but keep >> this >> in mind ... >> >> If this entity has issues, and has several hundreds of times the revenue >> of >> LPI (let alone makes money on Training, unlike LPI) ... it means everyone >> does. ;) >> >> >> -- >> Bryan J Smith - http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjsmith >> E-mail: b.j.smith at ieee.org or me at bjsmith.me >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> https://list.lpi.org/mailman/private/lpi-examdev/attachments/20210418/42a3c17c/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 09:00:43 +0100 >> From: Ottavio Caruso <[email protected]> >> To: LPI Exam Development <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Can we talk about Pearson VUE for a second? >> Message-ID: >> <CAEJNuHxizw_Bj4CZ6P+5iAit62jgGqEm4woEF60CCwT0= >> [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 at 01:06, Bryan Smith via lpi-examdev >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 5:11 PM BHL via lpi-examdev < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Live exams? Hands on? >> > >> > >> > Live, written exams, yes. >> > LPI events are some of the best places to take exams. >> > >> >> Don't forget *BSD meetings, such as EuroBSDCon, BSDCan, pkgsrcCon, etc. >> >> >> -- >> Ottavio Caruso >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lpi-examdev mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of lpi-examdev Digest, Vol 146, Issue 9 >> ******************************************* >> > -- > > Jason Dion > > [email protected] > Dion Training Solutions, LLC > www.DionTraining.com > _______________________________________________ > lpi-examdev mailing list > [email protected] > https://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev -- G. Matthew Rice <[email protected]> gpg id: 0x17CF9077 Executive Director, Linux Professional Institute
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