Hi Paul
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On 31/01/00 at 12:01 Paul Brown wrote:
>> Yes and no, the summary is very broad, I guess in a corporate situation
>> things will be clearly defined, maybe you are the Admin of file and
>> print, or maybe of WAN services (DNS, HTTP etc ) , a level 2 sysadmin
>> sounds like all you would ever have to employ.......
>
>Hummm . . . That's not how I took it. I thought it meant a Level II
>admin has to be proficient at the technical aspects of the job and begin
>to delve into the management and planning aspects. You can think of this
>as near-guru level for a techincal track person or management groming for
>the management tracked professional.
Seems like a very large step or gap, thats all........ I think Guru level
could maybe shown by taking specific subjects, I agree however that people
need to be proficient, but you need more levels between beginner and
Superman......I think anyways....
>
>> I see level 2 as fairly competant, but leaves quite a gap for specialist
>> services, please forgive me, but it sounds like level 2 is superman....
>> WANS, Security, and all sevices... I guesss that includes file and
print
>> etc .. where is there to go after level 2 ?
>
>You are correct that the definition does tend towards complete technical
>competance which we all understand to be near impossible due the breadth
>and depth of total systems administration. Who can know every package,
>command, option, command-line switch there is to very command? Perhaps
>a statement to that effect is needed. Perhaps specialists in, say . . .
>web and e-commerce systems can be Level II just as the core business
>systems specialists (accounting, finance, marketing) can.
I can see a clear future here, and I guess most if they stop and look
around may see what I see, You will have 2 admins, one who does Internet
based chores and is involved in e business etc, and the more traditinal
file and print services admins, this may span many OSs.....
>
>Maybe it's enough to have the experience of a core group of commands and
>packages so that a journeyman can show he/she has the ablility to master
>and command. I liken this to knowing several programming languages. If
>you already mastered C, Pascal, and Perl, how hard is it for you too
>learn Java or C++? maybe that's the point and that is what should be
>stated.
Yes, maybe it could be stated that faced with the opposing type of systems
administration, or by completing the exam, that the person holding such
certificate is in fact more than capable of picking up many other things
should they be faced.
>
>>Q2: Do you agree that the generic responsibility levels in these
>>paragraphs is true to a mid level to advanced system administrator?
>>
>>Q2 Answer and Comment:
>
>Not for a real job, he sounds very overworked......
>
>HA HA HA HA! Not if he has a group of Level I's around that are in
>training for level II! :-)
:-) , train all they want, they wont be at level 2 for some years of hands
on, and I mean real hands on, I would guess that to get to this level,
realistically he is going to be in that training lab 18hours a day for some
2-3 years if he is a quick learner... :-)
In all seriousness, myself I can tackle almost anything, but I did those
18hour days and started with no UNIX Linux knowledge, there are still many
things I have not touched. ie, you will probably laugh when I say I have
not rebuilt a kernel, but in fact I have never had too RH has always had
what I needed straight off, I have never used ppp in Linux, nor have I run
a printer from it.....I do Internet related services, HTTP, FTP , DNS , SSH
, ipchains etc etc
My point in all of this is that because Linux/UNIX will run every
aplication or service known to man :-) does not mean we need to test for
it.......you probably need to be aware however of what those services are
and do ?
>
>Paul
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