Hi, Christian:

Aijun Wang
China Telecom

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 18:13, Christian Hopps <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Aijun Wang <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Christian:
>> 
>> Would you like to describe how to solve the problem via using the transport 
>> instance? The detail interaction process within the node and the deployment  
>> overhead analysis?
> 
> 
> As A WG member:
> 
> When I said in the meeting "As a WG member, I agree" I was specifically 
> referring to the gist of his statement which was that this wasn't worth 
> putting into the main protocol. I'm unconvinced (again as a WG member) that 
> there's a problem worth trying to solve here -- at least one that rises above 
> the "should we add something to the the protocol" level.

[WAJ] Should it be “whoever makes a mistake, who corrects”?

> 
> That said, the main point that I believe I was making here was that his 
> comment was a good one to make during the adoption call (or preferably before 
> we got to this point), so that discussion around it could happen on the list.

[WAJ] Yeah, I think it has happened. There is no other better option to solve 
such problem now. If exists, please describe it.

> 
> Thanks,
> Chris.
> 
>> If there is no such information, it is doubt whether your judgment is 
>> correct or not, it is also unconvincing. Welcome also Tony gives the 
>> explanation before making the assertions, as we done for PUAM solution.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Aijun Wang
>> China Telecom
>> 
>>>> On Nov 17, 2021, at 22:59, Christian Hopps <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 10:36 PM, Aijun Wang <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, 
>>>> 
>>>> The followings are the responses for the comments on PUAM 
>>>> draft(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement-08)
>>>> 
>>>> Les:      The comment I want to make, I think the discussion on the
>>>>        list highlighted the fact that there's an open question,
>>>>        independent of whether we use the prefix unreachable
>>>>        draft or the Event Notification draft, as to whether this
>>>>        problem should be solved by the IGP or whether it should be
>>>>        solved by BGP, or in some other way. And I think the logical
>>>>        way to proceed on this is to get the consensus of the working
>>>>        group as to whether an IGP solution is desired first, then
>>>>        after we reach consensus on that, then we can start talking
>>>>        about which approach is the better approach. Which one
>>>>        should be adopted?
>>>> 【WAJ】The problem is occurred due to the summary action by the ABR router 
>>>> in IGP, it should be solved by IGP itself.
>>>> As discussed earlier on the list, the possible use case is not limited to 
>>>> BGP fast convergence.
>>>> Based on the above considerations, it is not appropriated solved via BGP. 
>>>> 
>>>> Chris H:  Chair hat on. You've been asking for adoption for a while.
>>>>        The event notification draft is new. I agree with Les that
>>>>        in a perfect world that would be the case, but asking for
>>>>        adoption is one way to answer the question. It may be not
>>>>        the perfect way to answer that question, but it is one way.
>>>>        I agree without my chair hat on, I'm not sure we need this,
>>>>        but it's not for me to say by fiat. Acee did put something
>>>>        out on the list to try to engage people again. And I don't
>>>>        think a lot got said.
>>>> 【WAJ】we have several round discussions for this topic but there is always 
>>>> no conclusion at the end. 
>>>>     Can the expert that reluctant to accept the new idea to give some 
>>>> specific questions/problems for the current solution?
>>>>    Or else it is not helpful for the solve of the existing problem.
>>>>     Initiate the adoption call maybe the best way to let the experts 
>>>> express their opinions? 
>>>>     We would like to hear the specific and detail comments for the current 
>>>> solutions, not just general comments.
>>>> 
>>>> Acee:     I didn't see much support other than from the authors. I
>>>>        saw one non-author support on the event notification. 
>>>> 【WAJ】Does anyone not agree what we analyze/summarize at the presentation 
>>>> material for the two solutions? 
>>>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/112/materials/slides-112-lsr-05-puam-stublink-00.pdf,
>>>>  the 5th slide)
>>>> 
>>>> Chris:    Everyone has a right to ask for an adoption. Everyone has a
>>>>        right to say we shouldn't adopt this and there are the
>>>>        reasons. We've let people to express opinions, without
>>>>        seeing a lot of negative opinions it's hard not to just grant
>>>>        the adoption call.
>>>> 【WAJ】I agree.
>>>> 
>>>> Tony P:   I think this is all making a trash can out of the IGP. One
>>>>        possible solution is to ban or encouraged maybe everyone with
>>>>        these kind of suggestions to go towards the service instance
>>>>        stuff or whatever we call it, which I think is a good idea.
>>>>        Just run a power line up and much lower priority. Don't trash
>>>>        the main protocol that holds the whole thing together.
>>>> 【WAJ】Do you consider the deployment complexity for independent service 
>>>> instance to transfer such thing? And also the interaction on the device 
>>>> among the main IGP instance and the service instances? It’s the fault of 
>>>> the main protocol, and should be solved by the main protocol.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris:    Great comment for the adoption call. As a WG member, I agree.
>>> 
>>> This makes it seem like I'm saying that I agree with your response. I'd 
>>> strike that "As a WG member, I agree".
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Acee Lindem 
>>>> (acee)
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 2:56 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: [Lsr] IETF 112 LSR Meeting Minutes
>>>> 
>>>> The IETF 112 LSR Meeting Minutes have been uploaded. Thanks to Yingzhen Qu 
>>>> for taking them!!!
>>>> 
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/112/materials/minutes-112-lsr-00
>>>> 
>>>> The IETF 112 LSR Meeting MeetEcho recording is available here:
>>>> 
>>>> https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF112-LSR-20211111-1200
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Acee
>>> 
>> 
> 
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