Changwang -

It is very important to note ...

<snip>
> > 2. The Draft #1 utilizes the existing mechanisms [RFC7794] and [RFC9084] to
> indicate reachability by checking whether the originator information is
> >    NULL.
<end snip>

This statement is incorrect. There is no existing mechanism defined in the 
protocol that states that a prefix reachability advertisement sent with a 
source router ID == 0 implies unreachability.
Please see https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7794.html#section-2.2

Existing routers, on receiving a prefix reachability advertisement with a 
Source Router ID == 0 will interpret that prefix as being reachable - which is 
exactly the opposite of the intent defined in 
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement-12.txt
This is one of the things which is broken in this draft.
This fact has been pointed out to the authors many times over the years - but 
they have consistently ignored it.

On the other hand, 
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-announce-04.txt
 uses an existing mechanism defined in RFC 5305 to insure that legacy routers 
who do not understand the new use case or the new flags will ignore the prefix 
reachability advertisement. This has been verified by testing against multiple 
implementations.

Please be accurate in the statements that you make.

   Les


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lsr <lsr-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Peter Psenak
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 8:43 AM
> To: linchangwang <linchangwang.04...@h3c.com>; Acee Lindem
> <acee.i...@gmail.com>; lsr <lsr@ietf.org>
> Cc: draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-unreach-prefix-annou...@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption of "IGP Unreachable Prefix
> Announcement" - draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-unreach-prefix-announce-04
> 
> Changwang,
> 
> On 30/08/2023 08:15, linchangwang wrote:
> > Hi WG,
> >
> > When considering adoption, it's important to take into account the following
> drafts as well.
> >
> > Draft #1 link:https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-
> unreachable-annoucement-12.txt
> > Draft #2 link:https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-
> ureach-prefix-announce-04.txt
> >
> > Reasons are as follows:
> >
> > 1. The two drafts mentioned above are similar in nature.
> >    The draft #1 covers more scenarios than the draft #2 as mentioned by
> Zhibo Hu mail.
> >    Therefore, a more in-depth discussion and technical comparison should
> take place before any adoption decision is made.
> >
> > 2. The Draft #1 utilizes the existing mechanisms [RFC7794] and [RFC9084] to
> indicate reachability by checking whether the originator information is
> >    NULL. On the other hand, the draft #2 introduces a new flag to indicate
> reachability.
> >    From an implementation perspective, it would be easier to develop using
> the existing RFC mechanisms.
> >
> > 3. The Draft #1 covers more scenarios and can address the aggregation issues
> of multiple ABRs.
> >    However, the Draft #2 explicitly states in Chapter 6 that it does not 
> > support
> this scenario.
> 
> to be more precise, draft #1 talks about more scenarios, it does not
> solves any of them, as these scenarios can not be solved by what the
> draft #1 introduces.
> 
> draft#2 clearly states the fact that these scenarios are not addressed.
> 
> thanks,
> Peter
> 
> >
> > 4. If we remove the additional scenarios covered in Draft #1 and compare the
> two drafts, the only remaining difference is the method of indicating
> unreachable prefixes -
> >    either through a UPA flag or using the originator TLV.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Changwang
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem
> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2023 3:58 AM
> > To: lsr
> > Cc: draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-unreach-prefix-annou...@ietf.org
> > Subject: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption of "IGP Unreachable Prefix
> Announcement" - draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-unreach-prefix-announce-04
> >
> > LSR Working Group,
> >
> > This begins the working group adoption call for “IGP Unreachable Prefix
> Announcement” - draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-unreach-prefix-announce-04.
> > Please indicate your support or objection on this list prior to September 
> > 7th,
> 2023.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Acee
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