Hi Acee,

On 20/11/2024 18:00, Acee Lindem wrote:
Hi Gunter - Your review uncovered some needed edits and proposed clarifications. Nobody has implemented the automatic metric derivation from the bandwidth (at least if I understood the implementation poll right), so we have some leeway here. Authors can correct me if I'm wrong.

we have implemented the Automatic Metric Calculation using the Reference bandwidth method. I mentioned it in one of my responses when you asked about the implementation status.

thanks,
Peter


Hi Shraddha, Peter, and other Co-Authors,

Can you either update the draft or respond as to why you didn’t for each comment below?

Thanks,
Acee

On Nov 19, 2024, at 11:30, Gunter van de Velde (Nokia) <[email protected]> wrote:

# Gunter Van de Velde, RTG AD, comments for draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-bw-con-15
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#GENERIC COMMENTS
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## I found the draft well written, and the procedures are well described.Thank you for the nice document ## This review is mostly about clarifications and consistencyand nearly ready for IETF LC
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26          Requirements Language
25
28             The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", 29             "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this 30             document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119]. GV> This seems like an old boilerplate was used. The new one looks as follows:
"
   The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
   "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and
   "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in BCP
   14 [RFC2119] [RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear in all
   capitals, as shown here.
"
170          Section 3 defines additional Flexible Algorithm Definition (FAD) 171          constraints that allow the network administrator to preclude the use
172          of low bandwidth links or high delay links.
GV> Could a reference to RFC9350 be added for FAD?
236              0 1                   2                   3
237              0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
238 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
239             |   Type        | Length    |  metric-type  |
240 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
241 |                         Value                 |
242 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
244                Type  :   TBD1 (To be assigned by IANA)
245                Length: 4 octets
246                Metric-type:  A value from the IGP metric-type registry
247                Value : Metric value range (0 - 16,777,215)
GV> The picture is slightlyconfusing. What about the following alternate explanation. Similar structire could be used with the other encoding in the sections that follow.
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Type (1 octet):
An 8-bit field assigned by IANA (To Be Determined as TBD1). This value uniquely identifies the Metric TLV.
Length (1 octet):
An 8-bit field indicating the total length, in octets, of the subsequent fields. For this TLV, the Length is set to 4.
Metric-Type (1 octet):
An 8-bit field specifying the type of metric. The value is taken from the "IGP metric-type" registry maintained by IANA.
Value (3 octets):
A 24-bit unsigned integer representing the metric value. The valid range is from 0 to 16,777,215.
"
334          If the metric type indicates a standard metric type for which there 335          are other advertisement mechanisms (e.g., the IGP metric, the Min 336          Unidirectional Link Delay, or the Traffic Engineering Default
337          Metric), the Generic Metric advertisement MUST be ignored.
GV> I am slightly confused. I may misunderstandthisprocedure rule. Is this section trying to prescribe that generic metric type TLV should not carry a standard metric? or is it trying to prescribe that when for a specific link there is a legacy metric type advertisement (e.g. IGP metric) that the generic TLV must be ignored?
355 Flexible-Algorithm-specific metric.  Metrics carried in FAPM will be
356          equal to the metric to reach the prefix for that Flex-Algorithm in 357          its source area or domain.  When Flex-Algorithm uses Generic metric, GV> Maybe a small clarification for accuracy by adding few words: "Metrics carried in FAPM will be equal to the metric to reach the prefix for that Flex-Algorithm in its source area or domain ***from the ABR perspective***.".
430          If the Maximum Link Bandwidth is lower than the Minimum link
431          bandwidth advertised in FAEMB sub-TLV, the link MUST be excluded from 432          the Flex-Algorithm topology.  If a link does not have the Maximum GV> corner case scenario. I suspect that the existing text is written already on purpose, but i wanted to sanity check: Is the intent to have 'lower' or 'lower or equal'? 471          If the Min Unidirectional Link Delay value is higher than the Maximum 472          link delay advertised in FAEMD sub-TLV, the link MUST be excluded 473          from the Flex-Algorithm topology.  If a link does not have the Min
GV> same as above. Is this higher or higher and equal?
546          not aadvertised for a link but the FAD contains this sub-TLV,then
GV> s/aadvertised/advertised/
564          link advertisements. Bandwidth metric is a link attribute and for
565          the advertisement and processing of this attribute for Flex-
566          algorithm, MUST follow the the section 12 of [RFC9350]
GV> Is there special consideration for stub links? are there any special behaviours for transit or stub links applied when a router is configured for "overload max-metric"? (to take a router out-of-service for maintenance, or for making an ABR less desirable during maintenance) 653          which may cause undesired load-balancing on the links.  In such 654          cases, a device may locally apply load-balancing factor relative to
655          the link bandwidth on the ECMP nexthops.
GV> Would it be worthwhile to say explicit that these load-balancing mechanisms are out of scope of this document (similar as a few lines earlier?)
683          For example,
684
685             reference bandwidth = 1000G
686
687             Granularity = 20G
688
689             The derived metric is 10 for link bandwidth in the range 100G to
690             119G
GV> Maybe more accurate that the FLOOR function is used to rounds number down, toward zero, to the nearest multiple of significance 746              When granularity_bw is less than or equal to Total_link_bandwidth
747
748                  Metric calculation: (Reference_bandwidth) /
749 (Total_link_bandwidth -
750                                   (Modulus of(Total_link_bandwidth,
751 granularity_bw)))
752
753              When granularity_bw is greater than Total_link_bandwidth
754                      Metric calculation: Reference_bandwidth /
755 Total_link_bandwidth
GV> should it be mentioned that this is an integer division?
769          automatically derived metric for that link.  In case of Interface 770          Group Mode, if all the parallel links have been advertised with the 771          Bandwidth Metric, The individual link Bandwidth Metric MUST be used. 772          If only some links among the parallel links have the Bandwidth Metric 773          advertisement, the Bandwidth Metric for such links MUST be ignored 774          and automatic Metric calculation MUST be used to derive link metric. GV> what about following alternative writeup to make the text easier to understand:
"
In the case of Interface Group Mode, the following procedures apply:
* When all parallel links have advertised the Bandwidth Metric: The individual link Bandwidth Metric MUST be used for each link. * When only a subset of the parallel links have advertised the Bandwidth Metric: The Bandwidth Metric advertisements for those links MUST be ignored. In this scenario, automatic metric calculation MUST be used to derive the link metrics for all parallel links.
"
847          When the computed link bandwidth is less than Bandwidth Threshold 1, 848          the MAX_METRIC value of 4,261,412,864 MUST be assigned as the
849          Bandwidth Metric on the link during the Flex-Algorithm SPF
850          calculation.
851
852          When the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal to
853          Bandwidth Threshold 1 and less than Bandwidth Threshold 2, Threshold 854          Metric 1 MUST be assigned as the Bandwidth Metric on the link during
855          the Flex-Algorithm SPF calculation.
856
857          Similarly, when the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal 858          to Bandwidth Threshold 2 and less than Bandwidth Threshold 3, 859          Threshold Metric 2 MUST be assigned as the Bandwidth Metric on the
860          link during the Flex-Algorithm SPF calculation.
861
862          In general, when the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal 863          to Bandwidth Threshold X AND less than Bandwidth Threshold X+1, 864          Threshold Metric X MUST be assigned as the Bandwidth Metric on the
865          link during the Flex-Algorithm SPF calculation.
866
867          Finally, when the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal to 868          Bandwidth Threshold N, then Threshold Metric N MUST be assigned as
869          the Bandwidth Metric on the link during Flex-Algorithm SPF
870          calculation.
GV> What about the following procedure rewrite?
"
Assignment of Bandwidth Metric Based on Computed Link Bandwidth
The Bandwidth Metric for a link during the Flex-Algorithm Shortest Path First (SPF) calculation MUST be assigned according to the following rules:
1. When the computed link bandwidth is less than Bandwidth Threshold 1:
* The Bandwidth Metric MUST be set to the maximum metric value of 4,261,412,864. 2. When the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal to Bandwidth Threshold 1 and less than Bandwidth Threshold 2:
* The Bandwidth Metric MUST be set to Threshold Metric 1.
3. When the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal to Bandwidth Threshold 2 and less than Bandwidth Threshold 3:
* The Bandwidth Metric MUST be set to Threshold Metric 2.
4. In general, for all integer values of X such that 1≤X<N:
* When the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal to Bandwidth Threshold X and less than Bandwidth Threshold X+1:
** The Bandwidth Metric MUST be set to Threshold Metric X.
5. When the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal to Bandwidth Threshold N:
* The Bandwidth Metric MUST be set to Threshold Metric N.
Notes:
* The term Bandwidth Threshold X refers to a predefined threshold value corresponding to the index X. * The term Threshold Metric X refers to the metric value associated with Bandwidth Threshold X. * N represents the total number of bandwidth thresholds defined in the system. * The maximum metric value of 4,261,412,864 indicates that the link is considered unreachable for the purposes of the Flex-Algorithm SPF calculation. Implementations MUST ensure that these rules are consistently applied to maintain interoperability and optimal path computation within the network.
"
872          The IS-IS FADBT sub-TLV MUST NOT appear more than once in an IS-IS 873          FAD sub-TLV.  If it appears more than once, the IS-IS FAD sub-TLV
874          MUST MUST stop participating in such flex-algorithm.
GV> s/MUST MUST/MUST/
GV> Is it deliberate that here is written to stop participating in such flex-algo, where at line 762 is written that "the IS-IS FAD sub-TLV MUST be ignored by the receiver.". Is this intended? 934              When granularity_bw is less than or equal to Total_link_bandwidth
935
936                  Metric calculation: (Reference_bandwidth) /
937 (Total_link_bandwidth -
938                                    (Modulus of(Total_link_bandwidth,
939 granularity_bw)))
940
941              When granularity_bw is greater than Total_link_bandwidth
942
943                  Metric calculation: Reference_bandwidth/
944 Total_link_bandwidth
945                              Figure 10: OSPF FADRB Sub-TLV
GV>  I was wondering to mention that for completeness this is an integer division? 957          automatically derived metric for that link.In case of Interface Group 958          Mode, if all the parallel links have been advertised with the 959          Bandwidth Metric, The individual link Bandwidth Metric MUST be used. 960          If only some links among the parallel links have the Bandwidth Metric 961          advertisement, the Bandwidth Metric for such links MUST be ignored 962          and automatic Metric calculation MUST be used to derive link metric.
GV> proposed rewrite
"
Metric Assignment in Interface Group Mode:
When a link does not have a configured Bandwidth Metric, the automatically derived metric MUST be used for that link. In the context of Interface Group Mode, the following rules apply to parallel links:
* If all parallel links have advertised the Bandwidth Metric:
**The individual link Bandwidth Metrics MUST be used for each link during path computation. * If only some of the parallel links have advertised the Bandwidth Metric:
** The Bandwidth Metric advertisements for those links MUST be ignored.
** Automatic metric calculation MUST be used to derive the link metrics for all parallel links. This approach ensures consistent metric calculation and avoids discrepancies caused by partial Bandwidth Metric advertisements among parallel links.
"
1036        When the computed link bandwidth is less than Bandwidth Threshold 1 ,
1037        the MAX_METRIC value of 4,294,967,296 MUST be assigned as the
1038        Bandwidth Metric on the link during the Flex-Algorithm SPF
1039        calculation.
1040
1041        When the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal to
1042        Bandwidth Threshold 1 and less than Bandwidth Threshold 2, Threshold 1043        Metric 1 MUST be assigned as the Bandwidth Metric on the link during
1044        the Flex-Algorithm SPF calculation.
1045
1046        Similarly, when the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal
1047        to Bandwidth Threshold 2 and less than Bandwidth Threshold 3,
1048        Threshold Metric 2 MUST be assigned as the Bandwidth Metric on the
1049        link during the Flex-Algorithm SPF calculation.
1050
1051        In general, when the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal 1052        to Bandwidth Threshold X AND less than Bandwidth Threshold X+1, 1053        Threshold Metric X MUST be assigned as the Bandwidth Metric on the
1054        link during the Flex-Algorithm SPF calculation.
1055
1056        Finally, when the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal to 1057        Bandwidth Threshold N, then Threshold Metric N MUST be assigned as 1058        the Bandwidth Metric on the link during the Flex-Algorithm SPF
1059        calculation.
GV> From readability maybe following rewrite/restructuring proposal:
"
Assignment of Bandwidth Metric Based on Computed Link Bandwidth:
The Bandwidth Metric for a link during the Flex-Algorithm Shortest Path First (SPF) calculation MUST be assigned according to the following rules:
1. When the computed link bandwidth is less than Bandwidth Threshold 1:
* The Bandwidth Metric MUST be set to the maximum metric value of 4,294,967,296. 2. When the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal to Bandwidth Threshold 1 and less than Bandwidth Threshold 2:
* The Bandwidth Metric MUST be set to Threshold Metric 1.
3. When the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal to Bandwidth Threshold 2 and less than Bandwidth Threshold 3:
* The Bandwidth Metric MUST be set to Threshold Metric 2.
4. In general, for all integer values of X where 1≤X<N:
* When the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal to Bandwidth Threshold X and less than Bandwidth Threshold X+1:
** The Bandwidth Metric MUST be set to Threshold Metric X.
5. When the computed link bandwidth is greater than or equal to Bandwidth Threshold N:
* The Bandwidth Metric MUST be set to Threshold Metric N.
Notes:
* Bandwidth Threshold X refers to the predefined bandwidth threshold corresponding to index X. * Threshold Metric X is the metric value associated with Bandwidth Threshold X. * N represents the total number of bandwidth thresholds defined in the system. * The maximum metric value of 4,294,967,296 indicates that the link is effectively considered unreachable during the Flex-Algorithm SPF calculation. Implementations MUST consistently apply these rules to ensure accurate path computations and maintain interoperability within the network.
"
G/
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