Hi Robert,

What I'm saying is that this is a draft about encoding power information in
IS-IS.  There is no reason that I can see that this could not be used in a
flex algo network.

As you've seen, we have a draft in TEAS that discusses more about how to
use this information. There probably needs to be another draft about using
power information within flex algo, but that should be a separate document
in TEAS.

Regards,
Tony


On Wed, Jul 22, 2026 at 12:35 PM Robert Raszuk <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
> Ok so what you are saying the algorithm which decides that it is OK to
> shut down a link needs to verify first if there is sufficient capacity
> within each flex-algo present on that link to carry the offloaded traffic.
>
> Is this correct ?
>
> I don't know how would it do that. I am not seeing anywhere in the
> document such statement. In fact I am not seeing any way to associate
> RSVP-TE LSPs or CSPF with Flex-Algos. RFC9350 does not provide much clue in
> that either.
>
> Thx a lot,
> R.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2026 at 12:27 PM Tony Li <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> No, I am being entirely consistent.  I'm sorry if you find it to be
>> unclear.
>>
>> A particular interface or component can be used by one or more flex-algo
>> topologies.  An interface or component may be placed into power sleep
>> state, where it will carry no traffic.  Traffic will need to be diverted to
>> the remainder of the flex-algo topology.
>>
>> The current proposal is wholly compatible with and orthogonal to
>> flex-algo.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2026 at 12:14 PM Robert Raszuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tony,
>>>
>>> So in the first mail you said:
>>>
>>> "Traffic would remain within the same algorithm."
>>>
>>> Now you are saying something opposite:
>>>
>>> "Power sleep is applied on a per-component basis and may affect
>>> multiple algorithms."
>>>
>>> I don't quite see how would you take into consideration in the current
>>> document flex-algo topologies. I am asking for it as it seems that perhaps
>>> the current encoding needs to change and if so it is better to do that
>>> before allocation.
>>>
>>> Or at least state in the draft that current proposal is not applicable
>>> to be used in networks which deploy flex-algo topologies.
>>>
>>> Many thx,
>>> R
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2026 at 12:06 PM Tony Li <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Robert,
>>>>
>>>> The maximum link utilization is configurable and not defined by our
>>>> specifications.  Use whatever traffic level you feel comfortable with.
>>>>
>>>> The answer that you're looking for is simple: you spread traffic when
>>>> you need all of your capacity.  You consolidate your traffic when you have
>>>> excess capacity.
>>>>
>>>> As I previously mentioned, we do not have a specific per-flex-algo
>>>> application.  Power sleep is applied on a per-component basis and may
>>>> affect multiple algorithms.
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2026 at 11:48 AM Robert Raszuk <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tony,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok so we established that at best for 1RUs boxes you could turn off
>>>>> the laser.
>>>>>
>>>>> > The low link utilization for transition to power sleep is a
>>>>> configurable level.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question was the opposite. Let me rephrase - What is the ceiling in
>>>>> % you would allow to consolidate traffic onto any link ? I don't think 
>>>>> this
>>>>> is "beyond the scope of the doc" and making it configurable 0-100% is an
>>>>> answer. Quite contrary IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>> And seeing proposals in LSR which actually aim to do the opposite
>>>>> (spread traffic when threshold is exceeded on a link) it becomes an
>>>>> interesting question which way operators should go :)
>>>>>
>>>>> > The use of power groups would not change the flex algo topology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that is pretty obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Traffic would remain within the same algorithm.
>>>>>
>>>>> So to make sure I understand .. you can only consolidate within the
>>>>> boundaries of a given Flex-Algo ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not see anywhere in the document including section 3.1 how do you
>>>>> associate flexible-algorithms topology to power groups. Note that a
>>>>> link/interface can belong to more than one flex-algo.
>>>>>
>>>>> With that I think the current encoding does not seem to provide a per
>>>>> flex-algo association.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2026 at 8:07 AM Tony Li <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Robert,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dealing with a pizza box is straightforward.  In section 3.3.2 we
>>>>>> describe the interface PSP TLV.  This carries the power savings potential
>>>>>> for an interface.  The power consumption of the QSFP would belong in
>>>>>> that TLV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The low link utilization for transition to power sleep is a
>>>>>> configurable level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The use of power groups would not change the flex algo topology.
>>>>>> Traffic would remain within the same algorithm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2026 at 11:01 PM Robert Raszuk - robert at raszuk.net
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ron,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not sure what types of platforms Zafar had in mind but I would
>>>>>>> be interested in your response how do you apply concept of power groups
>>>>>>> to single-chip/systems-on-chip (SoCs) 1RU pizza ODM boxes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would you say put each QSFP into a separate group and the only
>>>>>>> saving you could claim is to turn off laser on the selective sender
>>>>>>> interfaces after drying the entire traffic on it ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - - - A side two question - - -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1)
>>>>>>> To what % number of link utilization do you consider acceptable to
>>>>>>> consolidate traffic for the purpose of power saving on some other links 
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2)
>>>>>>> If the network is built in a bit complex way ... say there is Algo 0
>>>>>>> but also 16 other Flex_Algo topologies I have a question how do you
>>>>>>> account for that such that before the optimization and after 
>>>>>>> optimization
>>>>>>> traffic suddenly is not forwarded in a "foreign" topology ? Or is the
>>>>>>> current proposal simply not interested in addressing such networks ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thx,
>>>>>>> R.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 9:55 AM Bonica, Ron <ronald.bonica=
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Zafar,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I understood your comment during the IETF 126 session correctly,
>>>>>>>> you said that the Power Group model may not support some existing 
>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>> architectures. Can you describe such an architecture?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                                                  Ron
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