On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Shane wrote: > I would love to see it, but > Will the chip, and MoBo manufacturers ever STOP the performance race, > and bring the prices of current, or older units way DOWN. > Without a source of CHEAP, medium performance boards, the whole point of > server apps goes down the tubes. It's all very well for schools, and/or > enthusiasts using retired equipment, but it's difficult to sell 2nd hand > systems to business. While there are the jamin/thinknic's etc, they > will never hit the mainstream until prices come way down....along with > low cost monitors. My local wholesalers have ceased to stock 15" CRT's, > cause they cost almost as much as 17"ers. The only problem is that many > people don't have, or don't want to give up that much desk space. Maybe > if 15" TFT's get sub $150, it will help.
I am not sure I understand what you mean here. I can buy a Jammin for $329 and a 17" crt for around $100. If I had a 100 seat network I am looking at: (300 (volume pricing) * 100) + (100 * 100) = $40,000 vs. (1000 [typical business PC price]* 100) + (100 [monitor] * 100) = $110,000 Of course you would have to add the server costs, but that is not going to make up for a $70,000 difference in the desktop costs. Then factor on all the cost reductions of centralized administration and you are look at a very very compelling setup. Also there are plenty of low cost, small footprint pc's out there: http://us.shuttle.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=85 Michael > I am promoting Linux as a gateway, and for shared CD images (the Win's > version costs money), and hope to find a Virus scanner which will run > thereon, that catches both Linux, AND Wins viruses for all (web) users. > Most (of my) customers won't even consider Linux on the workstation > until an Office package comes along where at least the Wordprocessor > work and feels exactly like MS Word/Office. > Is that menu layout, and functionality proprietary to MS ?. > > > Shane > p.s. Bad luck about the NY affair. > > Michael Marschall wrote: > > >>If someone were to provide a turnkey server with a neat little web > >>interface for LTSP and a list of compatible "terminal" equipment along > >>with tech support do the folks on THIS LIST think people would by it ? > >> > >>Curious... > >>Mike > >> > >> > > > > > >Given that there is going to be a pretty significant push for Linux on the > >desktop in the next few years I think people would. There are some big > >named companies (IBM, Sun, Dell, Wallmart), not to mention the small ones > >(Red Hat, Lycoris, Lindows), that are putting some weight behind Linux on > >the Desktop. This coupled with the long overdue trend of putting computing > >back on servers, where it is much more manageable and efficient, and you > >can bet that this would be a very popular option. Oh and the economic > >slowdown along with steep cutbacks in IT spending does not hurt either. > >Just think, with LTSP a company get the savings of centralization and the > >saving on licensing. Who in their right mind would say no to this? > > > >Going forward the only thing that LTSP is missing is nice-to-haves such as > >management software, session capabilities and a more efficient display > >protocol (something mature that is). The mangement part is arguable and > >would most be neccessary for those who are more comfortable with point and > >click. Most UNIX admins just need ssh and an editor to have good > >management. > > > >I think when Linux makes significant inroads on the desktop, LTSP could be > >a much bigger player than say Windows Terminal Server/Citrix is today. > >Microsoft makes sure that thin client Windows computing is kept at bay > >(and why shouldn't they, it directly competes with the need for Windows on > >every desktop). LTSP will not suffer such a problem since there is no > >incentive for someone like Red Hat(or others in the Linux community) to > >stem thin client computing. > > > >My company demo'ed LTSP at a trade show here in South Florida and people > >were amazed at 1) the concept of thin client computing (people still have > >no knowledge of it) and 2) that Linux was so complete. Our demo had us > >opening Word Documents with Star Office, we edited web graphics with The > >GIMP and we even drew up some network documents with Visio (via Wine). > >Even some of my former Citrix collegues were amazed (especially at the > >quility of sound over the network). > > > >In my opinion the biggest thing that is in the way of LTSP's future is not > >that it is Linux; it's that thin client computing is still on the outside > >looking in. Microsoft has effectively marketed their way around thin > >client computing. Linux gaining significant market share in every aspect > >of computing is an inevitability. I believe Linux Terminal Server is a > >natural step forward. > > > >Michael Marschall > >President > > > >Pipeline Networks > >2385 Executive Center Drive Suite 100 > >Boca Raton, Florida 33431 > >Phone 561.962.2774 > >Cell 305.502.8959 > > > >On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Mike Hjorleifsson wrote: > > > > > > > >>If someone were to provide a turnkey server with a neat little web > >>interface for LTSP and a list of compatible "terminal" equipment along > >>with tech support do the folks on THIS LIST think people would by it ? > >> > >>Curious... > >>Mike > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------- > >>This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > >>Welcome to geek heaven. > >>http://thinkgeek.com/sf > >>_____________________________________________________________________ > >>Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > >>For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.openprojects.net > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > >Welcome to geek heaven. > >http://thinkgeek.com/sf > >_____________________________________________________________________ > >Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > >For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.openprojects.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _____________________________________________________________________ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. 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