Thanks for the detailed reply... I especially like the checksum
trick!--think I'll try that.  I have my xterm chmod 700, so I'm not
worried much about that, they could SSH into it if they really wanted to
dig anyway.  I guess I'm trying to limit it to only the really smart kids
by doing something like this... 

I figured, Windows is easily locked with reghacks (and easily cracked, I
might add, yes I know :-), wouldn't it be handy if Linux had an
alternative?  The overall drift I get is, "forget it it's not worth the
trouble"... So... I guess that's what I'll do.  :-)



[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> Thanks for the replies I've gotten so far...  From them I guess I didn't
>> really express clearly what I'm trying to do.. Even being somewhat new
>> still to Linux I realize that with the permissions set right the users
>> *shouldn't* be able to seriously mess things up like on a windows
>machine
>
>*** That's right (and of course keeping up to date with relevent patches).
>
>> I just don't want them poking around... how does the expression go
>> "ignorance is bliss."  ... ?  Some people think I'm extreme for this but
>> on my windows machines here (particularly lab computers), 
>
>*** I see this alot and is 'natural'. Associating Windows behavior with
>Linux. They really dont mix.
>
>> the c: drive is
>> hidden entirely... All they can see is the programs they can run, their
>> network drive and the disk drive... (and that's all they need to see).
>
>*** You think so? ... until some clever kid figures he might be able to
>overwrite the Paintbrush program with a "command.com" he downloaded from
>the net then launch it by clicking that convienient "Paint brush" menu
>choice on his desktop.  
>
>
>> That's kind of the same thing I want to do with a graphical shell on
>> Linux.  Maybe it's totally not worth my while to bother with it...
>(hence
>> all my references to "practicality").  I would love it if there were a
>> file manager program out there that would allow me to set its root
>> directory to the user home directory, for example.
>
>*** It really isnt worth the extended effort. Even if you find such a file
>manager graphical shell the smart kid will simply launch a program that
>has a "run" option (like StarOffice) and type "xterm" .. viola. Make sure
>your permissions are set appropriately, and apply relevent patches and you
>should be ok. One other thing I do is something like this (for each
>partition):
>
>cd /usr
>find . -xdev -type f | xargs -n 1 md5sum > /root/usr-md5.log
>
>do the same for / as well. This gives a md5 checksum for every file on
>that partition. I then backup the usr-md5.log just-in-case. Then if I
>"worry" my machine may have been compromised I simply run the same
>commands and compare the two md5 checksums to find out which files have
>changed, deleted or have been added.
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>> 
>> Maybe I'm just rambling and still not getting out what I want, I dunno. 
>> It was worth a shot.
>> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> >Hi All,
>> >
>> >I would like to make my users have access to some sort of graphical
>shell
>> >/ filemanager (which term is more correct?)... Kind of like windows
>> >explorer, only I don't want them to have easy access to the server's
>> >directory tree.  (Since most of them are teenage kids and some of them
>> >like to try and "break things") .
>> >
>> >Any advice how to go about this?  
>> >
>> ><Shot in the dark>: Is it possible (and practical) to use Nautilus or
>some
>> >other program and set it up in some sort of "chroot jail" (quoting from
>> >Linux Magazine) so that they get a "My documents" window with correct
>file
>> >associations (word docs to open office, jpgs to an image viewer, etc)
>but
>> >no easy access to outside directories?  Anybody done this or can help
>me
>> >figure out how to do it for several hundred users? (the practical
>aspect).
>> >
>> >I'm currently running IceWM over GDM on RH 7.2.
>> >
>> >I know they can find ways to get around something like this, but I'm
>just
>> >trying to make it not so straight forward... while still providing for
>> >some measure of convenience  O:-)
>> >
>> >Thoughts?  TIA
>> >
>> >________________________________________
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