On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 11:33:15AM -0800, Joseph Toman wrote:
> 
> I couldn't help but notice that Dell is selling their entry level PC, 
> complete with all the trimmings, for around $400, which is less than the 
> cost/client of a thin client system when you factor in the server cost, 
> etc..

The problem with your argument is, of course, in the "etc.." bit.
*MANAGEMENT* of a PC is a very expensive proposition.  It's like a car:
anyone can buy a $400 beater.  Keeping it on the road, insured, in oil,
replacing the engine, etc, is a completely different matter.

> This is assuming you're buying your thin client system new and not
> building it out of old hardware.

Another completely bogus assumption.  *LOTS* of people re-use equipment
they've already got: in fact, the vast majority of people who come to
#ltsp are looking to do exactly that.

> So I'm wondering how one makes the case 
> for thin client systems when the up front cost for thick clients is 
> less.

Less, for what?  Is that thick client gonna come with WinXP
professional?  Is it gonna integrate into the network?  Who's gonna set
up the corporate proxy/email/apps?  Does it already come with MS
Office/OpenOffice.org installed?

You can't just unbox a thick client, plug it in, and have the user sit
down and work.  You CAN however, with a thin client.  Set up the app
once on the server, and everyone's got it.  Make global desktop changes,
etc.

> You could claim that maintenance costs are less, but who really 
> maintains Win32 systems?

Uuuuhhh, huh?  So, when one of our lawyers word processors doesn't
launch, or she gets a virus, we're supposed to run out and buy a whole
new machine?

> Home users or small businesses certainly don't, 
> they can't afford the IT costs. 

I guess that's why all these small businesses/home users never have
their computer literate friend over to help them get their pictures back
after a virus, or take their computer down to the local computer shop to
get it fixed, at $50.00/hr shop rates.  Nope, that doesn't happen.

> The model seems to be that the OS 
> degrades at about the same rate as the hardware until the system becomes 
> completely unusable, at which point a new computer with a new 
> preinstalled version of Windows is purchased and the cycle continues. So 
> how do you compete with disposable computers running disposable OSes ?
> Just a thought.

Yeah, you're right.  I vote we shut down LTSP, and let the millions of
people in Africa, Brazil, Europe and here in North America just keep
buyin those $400 pc's.

Regards,
Scott

-- 
Scott L. Balneaves | "Looking beyond the embers of bridges glowing behind us
Systems Department |  To a glimpse of how green it was on the other side..."
Legal Aid Manitoba |    -- Pink Floyd "High Hopes"

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