Has anyone tried to connect to OSX as the actual os to terminal-server? I wanted to get 10 macs going from one of our OSX servers we have.
Axely > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Ltsp-discuss Digest, Vol 9, Issue 21 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, February 16, 2007 1:08 pm > To: [email protected] > > Send Ltsp-discuss mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ltsp-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Windows programs on LTSP ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 2. Re: Netboot image to install on Harddisk instead of floppy? > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 3. Re: How to compile and add kernel modules to the ltsp client > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 4. Re: Windows programs on LTSP (Cody Grosskopf) > 5. GDM ping timeout problems (Tracy R Reed) > 6. Re: GDM ping timeout problems (Alex Magaz) > 7. Re: Windows programs on LTSP (Bill Alsbury) > 8. Re: Windows programs on LTSP (Rolf-Werner Eilert) > 9. Re: Windows programs on LTSP (Ken Cobler) > 10. Re: lp_server on LTSP 5 Ubuntu 6.10 (Joe Baker) > 11. Re: 3d desktop (Andrew Ziem) > 12. Re: lp_server on LTSP 5 Ubuntu 6.10 (Joe Baker) > 13. Re: 3d desktop (Joe Baker) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:48:17 +0900 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Windows programs on LTSP > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Friday 16 February 2007 05:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > Thanks for that Verner, are there other ways of doing this avoiding the MS > > 2003 terminal server licences or am I stuck with the wretched stuff because > > I need to run a windows application? ?I have tried to run the wretched > > thing in WINE and it doesn't want to play. > > Do the crime, do the time :-) > > If you must use Winders, you must pay the license. > James > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:53:11 +0900 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Netboot image to install on Harddisk > instead of floppy? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Yes! it does work. > Of course you cannot use the hard disk for anything else. You can't partition > AND do this > James > > On Friday 16 February 2007 05:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:47:24 -0000, Verner Kj?rsgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > ? > > > > > >> - I dd a floppy startup image from www.rom-o-matic.org directly to the > > >> hardware disk, say /dev/hda1 > > >> - that would really raw-write to the disk from the very start of it, > > >> right? But, it would work. Of course, it would quite effectively wipe > > >> the disk, but it wouldn't matter,- it would work? > > >> ? ? > > > > > > yes, should do > > > ? > > > > No, it can not work. A bootable floppy has not the same structure than a > > bootable hard disk: floppies do not have partitions table. And (as far > > as I remember) the boot sector of a disk partition is not the same as > > the boot sector of a floppy. > > > > Somebody can confirm? > > > > > ? > > > > > >> - the second one I don't understand. May I ask, what's a zdisk image? If > > >> I get a zdisk image, I then tell GRUB about its whereabouts, just as if > > >> it was an ordinary kernel image? > > >> ? ? > > > > > > exactly right! if you get your roms from rom-o-matic, the .zdisk is one > > > of the image options, but I got this wrong, you should select .zlilo > > > image for booting via GRUB or LILO (same image will work for both), and > > > yes you add them to the grub menu.lst just like a kernel image > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:58:49 +0900 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] How to compile and add kernel modules to > the ltsp client > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Friday 16 February 2007 05:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > I am using LTSP 4.2 and want to add a kernel module (wireless lan card > > with ralink chip: rt61.ko) to the thin client. I have the module sources > > but I am not sure how to compile them. I am pretty sure I will need the > > kernel headers. Where can I get them (kernel 2.6.17)? And will I be able to > > use the gcc on my server (which may be different to the gcc used for > > compiling the kernel)? > > > Juergen > get the ltsp_kernel_kit > copy a config to .config on the kernel of choice. > > BTW unless you are doing something clever, adding wireless won't do anything > for you. You can't boot it, use it in any way. > > James > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:11:48 -0800 > From: "Cody Grosskopf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Windows programs on LTSP > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > There is also a product by a company called CodeWeavers, its called > Crossover. It is basically just a fancy front end for Wine, but there is > a trial and i've got lots of applications to work with it. > > Cody > > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/15/07 3:48 PM >>> > On Friday 16 February 2007 05:05, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > Thanks for that Verner, are there other ways of doing this avoiding > the MS > > 2003 terminal server licences or am I stuck with the wretched stuff > because > > I need to run a windows application? I have tried to run the wretched > > thing in WINE and it doesn't want to play. > > Do the crime, do the time :-) > > If you must use Winders, you must pay the license. > James > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:30:49 -0800 > From: Tracy R Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] GDM ping timeout problems > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I am running LTSP (not sure what version nor how to check, I didn't > install it) on a pair of systems with one running FC5 and one running > FC4. When a users workstation gets turned off or reset their session > stays running causing the machine to be unable to talk to gdm so the > user cannot login again. Every couple of days we get users stuck in this > situation. We have around 30 constant users. > > There is a config variable in gdm.conf called PingIntervalSeconds which > defaults to 15 seconds according to the docs (gdm 2.14.9 on the FC5 box > and gdm 2.6.0 on FC4) but I specifically set it to 15 seconds just to be > sure. When a users terminal is turned off the docs say that the ping > between gdm and the remote X server should time out after 15 seconds and > then the user is logged off. But in our case this is not happening. I > have strace'd the gdm-binary and I see that it is indeed pinging every > 15 seconds. When the ping fails it does a kill() on its own PID. > > When gdm-binary dies it goes zombie and shows in the process list as > defunct. Shouldn't the parent gdm-binary wait() on the exit code? I did > an strace on the parent gdm-binary during this process and did not see > this happening. Anyone else having this problem? > > - -- > Tracy R Reed > http://ultraviolet.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFF1Wu59PIYKZYVAq0RAhiqAKCMYxdDenVxOInVU48g3cjxePfO+wCfelxH > Tu7KY9TyNhZJq9SGMr0xJ8Q= > =F5z3 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:06:47 +0100 > From: Alex Magaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] GDM ping timeout problems > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > I also had the same problem with FC4 servers. I will try to explain what you > have to do. > > First you have to install GDM 2.8.0.6 or above. I got it from nrpm repository. > If you already have PingIntervalSeconds=15 option in gdm.conf, then GDM > configuration is ok. > > Then add this lines to /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/XDMCP script: > > pkill -u "$USER" > sleep 1 > pkill -KILL -u "$USER" > > This script gets run when the user logs out, and also after the 15 secons from > PingItervalSeconds option. If you don't have a XDMCP script alredy, you can > make a copy of Default script (in the same directory) and modify it. > > Cheers, > ?lex > > El Friday 16 February 2007 9:30:49 am Tracy R Reed escribi?: > > I am running LTSP (not sure what version nor how to check, I didn't > > install it) on a pair of systems with one running FC5 and one running > > FC4. When a users workstation gets turned off or reset their session > > stays running causing the machine to be unable to talk to gdm so the > > user cannot login again. Every couple of days we get users stuck in this > > situation. We have around 30 constant users. > > > > There is a config variable in gdm.conf called PingIntervalSeconds which > > defaults to 15 seconds according to the docs (gdm 2.14.9 on the FC5 box > > and gdm 2.6.0 on FC4) but I specifically set it to 15 seconds just to be > > sure. When a users terminal is turned off the docs say that the ping > > between gdm and the remote X server should time out after 15 seconds and > > then the user is logged off. But in our case this is not happening. I > > have strace'd the gdm-binary and I see that it is indeed pinging every > > 15 seconds. When the ping fails it does a kill() on its own PID. > > > > When gdm-binary dies it goes zombie and shows in the process list as > > defunct. Shouldn't the parent gdm-binary wait() on the exit code? I did > > an strace on the parent gdm-binary during this process and did not see > > this happening. Anyone else having this problem? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:16:06 -0000 > From: "Bill Alsbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Windows programs on LTSP > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Theoretically up to 20, practically probably 3 or 4 > > Cheers > > Bill > > Bill Alsbury BSc.(Hons.), Dip. Comp.,CNE, IT Manager. > Spectrum -'Making a Significant Difference' > http://www.dcact.org? Charity No. 1026475 Reg. No. 1662611 > Tel: 01326 371000 Fax: 01326371099 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 February 2007 16:54 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Windows programs on LTSP > > Bill Alsbury wrote: > > > > I am sure this has been asked before but I couldn?t find it in the > > archive so if someone could point me in the right direction I would be > > most grateful. > > > > > > > > I am looking to implement a LTSP solution as I have serious bandwidth > > issues and mostly non IT literate staff. My major problem is that I > > have some specialist software for producing documents with symbols for > > users with learning difficulties that appears to be only available on > > windows. I want to get rid of all my windows servers for Linux based > > ones so I need to know if I install the software on a windows VM on > > the LTSP server can the workstations access it via LTSP. > > > > > > > > I am not sure how the VM/LTSP combination works and would welcome any > > advice on how to resolve the issue as being unable to do this could > > mean a MSTS solution, an area to be avoided if possible. ;-)) > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > Bill Alsbury > > > > Spectrum -'Making a Significant Difference' > > > > http://www.dcact.org <BLOCKED::http://www.dcact.org/> Charity No. > > 1026475 Reg. No. 1662611 > > > > Tel: 01326 371000 Fax: 01326371099 > > > How many users need to operate this special Windows application > simultaneously? > > -Joe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:57:26 +0100 > From: Rolf-Werner Eilert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Windows programs on LTSP > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > How many users need to operate this special Windows application > > simultaneously? > > > > -Joe > > > > > > > > Bill Alsbury schrieb: > >> Theoretically up to 20, practically probably 3 or 4 > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Bill > >> > > > In this case, I would try a VM. VMware will be the most mature product > in the market, but I don't know if the free version will do what you want. > > On the other hand, if you want to stay completely GPLed, try Qemu. We've > got it on some users' account to demonstrate an application to our > students which doesn't run so well under Wine or so. I didn't set up > network for it, and they cannot save anywhere else than into their image > file, but this can be configured. And it doesn't take too much CPU power > when running but lets Windows apps run like within a real PC. We have > about 10 - 12 Win98 sessions running simultaneously when it's in use, > and yes, you can feel it takes power, but it still runs smoothly (with a > Xeon system, so 4 CPUs). I choose to let it display full screen, but if > monitors are big enough (more than XGA I mean) you can display a window > just like with VMware. > > From the website http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ I understand that > it's matured a lot during the last months. They also have an > easy-to-read documentation. > > Regards > > Rolf > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:49:27 -0600 > From: Ken Cobler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Windows programs on LTSP > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Bill Alsbury wrote: > > Theoretically up to 20, practically probably 3 or 4 > > > > Cheers > > > > Bill > > > > Bill Alsbury BSc.(Hons.), Dip. Comp.,CNE, IT Manager. > > Spectrum -'Making a Significant Difference' > > http://www.dcact.org Charity No. 1026475 Reg. No. 1662611 > > Tel: 01326 371000 Fax: 01326371099 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 15 February 2007 16:54 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Windows programs on LTSP > > > > Bill Alsbury wrote: > > > >> I am sure this has been asked before but I couldn?t find it in the > >> archive so if someone could point me in the right direction I would be > >> most grateful. > >> > >> > >> > >> I am looking to implement a LTSP solution as I have serious bandwidth > >> issues and mostly non IT literate staff. My major problem is that I > >> have some specialist software for producing documents with symbols for > >> users with learning difficulties that appears to be only available on > >> windows. I want to get rid of all my windows servers for Linux based > >> ones so I need to know if I install the software on a windows VM on > >> the LTSP server can the workstations access it via LTSP. > >> > >> > >> > >> I am not sure how the VM/LTSP combination works and would welcome any > >> advice on how to resolve the issue as being unable to do this could > >> mean a MSTS solution, an area to be avoided if possible. ;-)) > >> > >> > >> > >> MTIA > >> > >> > >> > >> Bill Alsbury > >> > >> > >> > > How many users need to operate this special Windows application > > simultaneously? > > > > > > The question I have for you is can you configure Linux workstation to > access the Windows program today ? Is there a browser based client or a > Linux client to access the Windows program ? > > The concept of virtual machine is "it's a machine inside a machine". > So, you have would have an OS running (i.e. Linux), and then through > vmware or other virtual machine software, you would allow another > operating system to run in an a separate window. > > If the Windows software you want to virtualize must be loaded on each PC > for each user, then each user on Linux would have to run their own > separate virtual machine. > > > If the Windows program is a stand alone application (no client/server > application), then you could look into wine or CodeWeaver's CrossOver > product to run the Windows application natively on Linux. > > If the Windows program runs well under wine/CrossOver, then you could > create a desktop link for each user to launch wine and run the Windows > application. > > Ken Cobler > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:30:56 -0600 > From: Joe Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] lp_server on LTSP 5 Ubuntu 6.10 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > Yeah, we found that while working on LTSP-4.2 update 2, lp_server > > doesn't like to work in bidirectional mode with the 2.6 kernels. > > > > We changed PRINTER_x_WRITE_ONLY = Y as the default. > > > > > I tried putting > PRINTER_0_WRITE_ONLY = Y > Into the defaults stanza of my lts.conf file. > It didn't help with starting the lp_server. > > I'm going to patch the start_printer script to add a -w option for the > time being. > > -Joe Baker > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:50:31 -0700 > From: Andrew Ziem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] 3d desktop > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > sokol wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have a little question after unfruitful googling. Someone has managed to > > run a 3d desktop (like Mandriva 2007) on a thin client? Any hints are > > welcome. > > > > > Dave Richards runs a large terminal server project (maybe 700 users) for > the City of Largo, Florida. Several times recently he has written in > his blog about 3D desktops. It seems not to be LTSP exactly, but they > are still X11 terminals. (One interesting difference, by the way, is he > runs each application, such as Evolution and OpenOffice.org, on its own > server.) > > http://davelargo.blogspot.com/ > > > > Andrew > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:01:58 -0600 > From: Joe Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] lp_server on LTSP 5 Ubuntu 6.10 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Joe Baker wrote: > > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > >> Yeah, we found that while working on LTSP-4.2 update 2, lp_server > >> doesn't like to work in bidirectional mode with the 2.6 kernels. > >> > >> We changed PRINTER_x_WRITE_ONLY = Y as the default. > >> > >> > >> > > I tried putting > > PRINTER_0_WRITE_ONLY = Y > > Into the defaults stanza of my lts.conf file. > > It didn't help with starting the lp_server. > > > > I'm going to patch the start_printer script to add a -w option for the > > time being. > > > > -Joe Baker > > > > > Here's where I made the changes by adding -w in both lines of: > ------------------- /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer > > exec /usr/lib/ltsp/lp_server -n ${PORT} ${WO_OPT} -d ${DEVICE} -w -t > "${PRT_OPTS}" >/dev/null 2>&1 > exec /usr/lib/ltsp/lp_server -n ${PORT} -w ${WO_OPT} -d ${DEVICE} > >/dev/null 2>&1 > > -Joe > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:04:10 -0600 > From: Joe Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] 3d desktop > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Andrew Ziem wrote: > > sokol wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> I have a little question after unfruitful googling. Someone has managed to > >> run a 3d desktop (like Mandriva 2007) on a thin client? Any hints are > >> welcome. > >> > >> > >> > > Dave Richards runs a large terminal server project (maybe 700 users) for > > the City of Largo, Florida. Several times recently he has written in > > his blog about 3D desktops. It seems not to be LTSP exactly, but they > > are still X11 terminals. (One interesting difference, by the way, is he > > runs each application, such as Evolution and OpenOffice.org, on its own > > server.) > > > > http://davelargo.blogspot.com/ > > > I've toured his facility about 4 years ago. It is fascinating. I wonder > how he gets around the orbit/gconfd issues that pop up with multiple > application servers. > Thanks for pointing out his blogspot! > > -Joe > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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