For whatever reason, Patrick can't send to the list due to "suspicious
headers". I'll forward his reply now.
- Jordan/Lns
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I'm getting as irritated by this mailing list as I am by Hardy Heron. My
replies keep getting blocked due to "suspicious headers" and I haven't included
my sigs in those.
I give up.
-
Patrick Rady
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From: Jordan Erickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:48:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.
Patrick,
Would you mind forwarding your reply to the list? It'd be nice for
others to hear this as well.
Cheers,
Jordan
Patrick Rady wrote:
> Increasingly, I think the LTS-distinction is stupid, because if Hardy
> is of any evidence, the LTS releases are not more stable. Not at
> all. Years of security patches aren't of much value if OpenOffice
> keeps crashing.
>
> -
> Patrick Rady
> Administrator, npServ
> NEW (Nonprofit Enterprise at Work)
> office 734-998-0160 ext. 212 / fax 734-998-0163
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.new.org/
> Ann Arbor Office: 1100 N. Main, Suite 100, Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1059
> Detroit Office: Hannan House, 4750 Woodward Ave., Suite 308, Detroit,
> MI 48201
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> Finally! A solution for your nonprofit's tech support headaches. Visit
> * www.new.org/npserv/ <http://www.new.org/npserv/>* to learn more!
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> *From:* Jordan Erickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Cc:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:15:18 -0400
> *Subject:* Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.
>
> (Heh, coincidentally my Thunderbird randomly crashed while writing a
> reply to this)
>
> Patrick Rady wrote:
>
> *snip*
> > With Ubuntu, there is a certain pressure to upgrade- if you want
> your
> > users to have the latest versions of, say, OpenOffice. You need to
> > upgrade (in my case because of weird bugs with print drivers we
> need
> > to use) because they are so conservative with backports, but
> then you
> > must endure all of the regressions. Also, Feisty and Gutsy-packaged
> > OpenOffice suffered from nasty crashers that were specific to the
> > Ubuntu packages. So you must go through hoops to install the Sun
> > versions, which don't integrate quite as nicely.
> BAM. You hit the nail on the head, I think. Ubuntu's backporting
> policy,
> *especially* in regards to LTS versions, is absolutely horrible.
> What is
> the benefit of NOT backporting bug fixes? It's hard to stay
> motivated to
> make things work when new LTS versions such as Hardy come out, you
> find
> bugs that are really critical to your environment, and the first
> thing
> you hear is "It'll be fixed in Intrepid." Huh?? Same thing
> happened with
> the last LTS version. I was forced to upgrade to a non-LTS version
> when
> it came out, to fix bugs in things like Evince and OpenOffice.
> It's the
> same cycle all over again.
> > Actually, Intrepid pre-release has seemed less-crufty than
> Hardy. But
> > I'm almost afraid to try testing it.
> Same here, especially regarding my experience with doing this last
> time.
>
> What can we do to show the Ubuntu folk that we need stronger, more
> frequent backports for bugfixes?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Jordan/Lns
>
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