Somebody should tell Patrick Rady to not turn off HTML formatting in his 
email client.  That's not a good thing to send to mailing lists.

Jim McQuillan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Jordan Erickson wrote:
> For whatever reason, Patrick can't send to the list due to "suspicious 
> headers". I'll forward his reply now.
> 
> - Jordan/Lns
> 
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> 
> Subject:
> Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.
> From:
> "Patrick Rady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:
> Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:52:20 -0400
> To:
> "Jordan Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> To:
> "Jordan Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> I'm getting as irritated by this mailing list as I am by Hardy Heron.  
> My replies keep getting blocked due to "suspicious headers" and I 
> haven't included my sigs in those.
> 
> I give up.
> 
> -
> Patrick Rady
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>     *From:* Jordan Erickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     *Sent:* Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:48:14 -0400
>     *Subject:* Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.
> 
>     Patrick,
> 
>     Would you mind forwarding your reply to the list? It'd be nice for
>     others to hear this as well.
> 
>     Cheers,
>     Jordan
> 
> 
>     Patrick Rady wrote:
>      > Increasingly, I think the LTS-distinction is stupid, because if
>     Hardy
>      > is of any evidence, the LTS releases are not more stable. Not at
>      > all. Years of security patches aren't of much value if OpenOffice
>      > keeps crashing.
>      >
>      > -
>      > Patrick Rady
>      > Administrator, npServ
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>      > *From:* Jordan Erickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>      > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>      > *Cc:* [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>
>      > *Sent:* Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:15:18 -0400
>      > *Subject:* Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.
>      >
>      > (Heh, coincidentally my Thunderbird randomly crashed while writing a
>      > reply to this)
>      >
>      > Patrick Rady wrote:
>      >
>      > *snip*
>      > > With Ubuntu, there is a certain pressure to upgrade- if you want
>      > your
>      > > users to have the latest versions of, say, OpenOffice. You need to
>      > > upgrade (in my case because of weird bugs with print drivers we
>      > need
>      > > to use) because they are so conservative with backports, but
>      > then you
>      > > must endure all of the regressions. Also, Feisty and Gutsy-packaged
>      > > OpenOffice suffered from nasty crashers that were specific to the
>      > > Ubuntu packages. So you must go through hoops to install the Sun
>      > > versions, which don't integrate quite as nicely.
>      > BAM. You hit the nail on the head, I think. Ubuntu's backporting
>      > policy,
>      > *especially* in regards to LTS versions, is absolutely horrible.
>      > What is
>      > the benefit of NOT backporting bug fixes? It's hard to stay
>      > motivated to
>      > make things work when new LTS versions such as Hardy come out, you
>      > find
>      > bugs that are really critical to your environment, and the first
>      > thing
>      > you hear is "It'll be fixed in Intrepid." Huh?? Same thing
>      > happened with
>      > the last LTS version. I was forced to upgrade to a non-LTS version
>      > when
>      > it came out, to fix bugs in things like Evince and OpenOffice.
>      > It's the
>      > same cycle all over again.
>      > > Actually, Intrepid pre-release has seemed less-crufty than
>      > Hardy. But
>      > > I'm almost afraid to try testing it.
>      > Same here, especially regarding my experience with doing this last
>      > time.
>      >
>      > What can we do to show the Ubuntu folk that we need stronger, more
>      > frequent backports for bugfixes?
>      >
>      >
>      > Cheers,
>      > Jordan/Lns
>      >
> 
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