On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 03:06:51PM +0200, Stefan Below wrote:
> I know that this discussion is coming up every few month, but the
> problem is that you need for ltsp5 much stronger hardware to get the
> same user experience than with ltsp4 due to the fact that ltsp5 is using
> the standard components of the underlying distro.
> What do we need for thin computing(on client side)?
> In my opinion we need a tiny, stable os, that is maintained,used and
> supported somewhere else and fitted with extra packages for ltsp.
> i already did some experiments with openwrt and i think it could perform
> well.....
<godzilla-sbalneav raises his mighty head and rooooaaaaars>
> In my opinion we need a tiny, stable os, that is maintained,used and
> supported somewhere else and fitted with extra packages for ltsp.
> WE NEED A TINY, STABLE OS, THAT IS MAINTAINED,USED AND
> SUPPORTED SOMEWHERE ELSE AND FITTED WITH EXTRA PACKAGES FOR LTSP.
> M A I N T A I N E D
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<imagine the alarm music from Kill Bill in the background>
This is the crux of the bisquit. The LTSP bits *THEMSELVES* are very small,
and effecient. The problem is all the stuff we RELY on has gotten big.
I've said this a thousand times, I'm sure you're all sick to death of hearing
it. X bigger, Kernel bigger, libc bigger yadda yadda yadda.
If you already did some experiments with them in openwrt, WHY NOT PUBLISH THEM
SOMEWHERE so someone else can carry them further.
I know Otavio was working on something with open embedded (Feel free to pop
into the discussion here Otavio), but again, nothing firm's come out of this.
Listen, all you LTSP lovers out there: the LTSP team's full on engaged in LTSP.
But if SOMEBODY or SOME GROUP stepped forward with the intention of providing a
Base OS based on openwrt, open embedded, etc, that had a small, scaled down
kernel, X, etc. I give you my *personal guarantee*, and I'm willing to go out
on a limb here and speak for the other LTSP developers and say that *THEY*
would also give you their guarentee, that we would do whatever it takes to get
the LTSP bits working on that.
But we've TRIED maintaining our own "distro", and we just don't have the
bodies, and I'm willing to wager, the interest, to do it. The kind of skills
you need to maintain a distro are different than the kind of skills you need to
do the upstream LTSP work. One's "just" packaging and/or some glue bits, the
other's "just" the thin client bits. (I'm waaaay over trivializing, I know).
I'd Love to see someone, or a group, say "O.K., we'll work with LTSP to come up
with a "distro" based on open <wrt|embedded|whathaveyou> that can be used as a
base for thin clients." That would be fantastic. What I do know is, I think
the LTSP developers haven't got the resources for that.
Now, someone can start it up as it's own project, or if someone wants to handle
this as a subproject of LTSP, that's fine. But *MAINTAINED*'s the key word
there: someone has to 1) get it going in the first place. 2) handle security
patches, updates, etc etc etc.
It's a big job; that's why it's not being done.
And until someone DOES it, we have to rely on
(Debian|Ubuntu|Fedora|OpenSUSE|Gentoo)'s bits which, quite frankly, AREN'T
geared towards thin clients, but towards modern desktops.
Beuller... Beuller... Anyone...?
Scott
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Scott L. Balneaves | Grass is the forgiveness of nature - her constant
Systems Department | benediction. Forests decay, harvests perish, flowers
Legal Aid Manitoba | vanish, but grass is immortal. -- Brian Ingalls
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