Hi Lachele,

as the moments when the logoffs accur seem to be related to graphics
(moving window to another desktop, open xterm, start Unity3D...): could
it be a problem of the graphics driver?

I have had (and still have) big problem with the intel X driver,
especially 3d acceleration. Your setting XRAMPERC so low might simply
have prevented the driver from activating 3d acceleration.

Just a wild idea.

Good luck!
Rüdiger


On 01/03/2012 05:29 PM, Lachele Foley (Lists) wrote:
> I'm really confused about why changing X_RAMPERC fixed one problem,
> and if so, why it didn't fix another.
> 
> The issue is that clients with less RAM won't need to have X_RAMPERC
> set lower, but clients with more RAM will.  There are other
> differences, of course -- different hardware, different client image
> (64 vs 32).  But, it seems odd that a client with 1 GB of RAM can
> handle something that a client with 2 or 4 GB can't.
> 
> And, I'm not talking about a system that has other programs eating
> memory.  I mean (1) boot client, (2) log in, (3) start or start to use
> program, (4) back to login immediately.  On one machine (loaner, no
> longer available for testing), this would cause it:  (1) boot (2) log
> in (3) open terminal (4) "ltsp-localapps xterm".  I'm surprised that
> opening a couple terminals could eat that much memory that quickly.  I
> didn't try resetting X_RAMPERC on that machine because I simply could
> not believe that was the problem.  I could open and run other programs
> -- there were only a few that caused it.  When they did, though, they
> did so immediately or almost immediately.
> 
> Most recently, the program VMD would cause crash-to-login if its
> display window was moved from one monitor to the other.  Again, this
> is at fresh boot and login, and without having even loaded any files
> into VMD.  Oddly, running VMD as a localapp on the client worked fine
> (and a lot faster).  However, I finally decided to try lowering
> X_RAMPERC, and, lo-and-behold, VMD stopped crashing when not run
> locally.  These clients have 4 GB and the server has 32.  During these
> tests, there was very little load on the server either.  Right now,
> with three different browsers, each with multiple windows, evince and
> a handful of terminals running, that same client says it has 3.37 GB
> of its 3.94 GB free (using "free").  I just opened VMD, and that
> changed to 3.36 free.  We also have several dual-monitor setups on
> older equipment that handle this sort of thing just fine, and lots of
> other stuff, all at once.
> 
> So, even though setting X_RAMPERC fixed the VMD issue... I wonder if
> the problem isn't really somewhere else.
> 
> By the way, even setting X_RAMPERC to 20 didn't make the default
> Unity3D session work.  It still appears to accept a password, then
> makes the theme music, then back to login.  Other sessions (2D, XFCE,
> LDXE, xterm) work fine.
> 


-- 
Dr. Rüdiger Kupper <[email protected]>
Kepler-Gymnasium Freudenstadt

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