MonMotha wrote: > > Eric Hattemer wrote: > > If nothing exists for this, something could easily be invented. I don't > > know if ftp, sftp, or scp are capable of deleting files, but it would be > > easy enough to make a graphical ssh client that does all of its graphics > > client side. > > > > -Eric Hattemer > > You mean a frontend? Use an FTP client then, FTP can delete files (see > the DELE command). However, file management is a very, VERY small > portion of remote system administration. It's MUCH easier to just ssh > in and do it from a command line. There have been attempts at making > remote GUI administration tools (see webmin, and I think LinuxConf had > seom remote features). They work for simple tasks, but if your system > has major problems (and believe me, there are problems yuo can get into > where a webmin won't work, but you can still SSH in), the CLI can save > your behind. > > Notice also that all these thigns are sysadmin functions. A sysadmin > should know the command line anyway because by definition a sysadmin > should be able to fix a system no matter what state it's in (assuming > it's fixable at all). This includes no network, broken XFree install, > etc. In those situations, you can bet you'll want a command line. > > For the average user, a GUI is fine. The average user isn't working on > systems hundreds of thousands of miles away. The average user won't > want to fix their own XFree install; they have someone else to do it for > them (a sysadmin). The average user doesn't normally need to know how > to use a command line. If you don't want to learn the command line, you > don't need to, but don't call yourself a sysadmin until you do (and > learn a bunch of other things too)! > > Also, just because you think a command line is "archane" doesn't mean we > all do. This whole movement is about choice. If you don't like > Windows, try Linux. Don't like Linux? Try a BSD. Don't like any of the > BSDs? Try QNX, or AtheOS, or YammitOS for all I care. Don't like any > of those? Write your own OS like Linus did. The command line is there > because there is a desire for it. I personally have 5 tabs up in my > GNOME console right now, but there's no need for it. I could be using > Nautilus for file management, and my menus for launching and such, but I > like doing things from a command line. I find that a good shell is a > very handy thing. > > I used to think the command line as "archane" or "cryptic" too, but that > was because I was basing my thoughts off DOS's command.com command > interpreter. I don't even think I can call that a shell. BASH is very > powerful, but I don't say it's as easy to use as a GUI. Don't start a > compaign to eliminate something just because you don't like it. If you > can get by without it, just ignore it. If there's functionality missing > in your favorite GUI application, feel free to write it. If you're not > a coder (and I understand this completely; I'm not either), submit a bug > report or request the feature. Most projects listen to their userbase > as that's what makes them popular. In the OSS community, there's > competition, but unlike the commercial software world, this competition > is based on functionality, not price. If something doesn't have what > you need, ask for it. If the project doesn't pay any attention, pick a > different app. There's the whole KDE vs. GNOME thing. Again, CHOICE! > > </flame mode> > > --MonMotha > > _______________________________________________ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
****** Hey Mon, I'm with you. "When all else fails use the command line." In many cases it's faster that going to a GUI. -- Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX & Caldera Linux 2.4 & RedHat 7.2 Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043
