Am Mittwoch 30 März 2011, um 14:23:52 schrieb PCMan: > Text based installer + 1. > The alternate CD with console-based UI is good enough IMO if it can > have l10n user interface. > Windows installer has long been text-based since windows 3.1 and it's > still text-based in windows xp. Nobody complains of this so why should > we insist that there should be a graphical one? > Yes, if you boot from Windows xp installer cd on a machine without OS, > you'll enter text-based installer. The GUI part is only available > after the basic system is set up. > > Actually, we can do the same. > The text-based installer (part I) only installs base system and core > components and then reboot and automatically login X11 with a super > user. After boot, a GUI-based installer (part II) is launched and > continues the remaining parts. This can make things much easier. > > The only problem with this approach is, we cannot have a good > GUI-based UI for partitioning. Windows XP handle this in text-mode, > too. However, I see no real problem here. The rationale is quite > simple. > > Users who doesn't know how to use text-based UI are also the ones that > will almost always choose "automatic partitioning". Others who like to > use "customized" and "manual partitioning" are definitely advanced > power users who don't need a GUI installer. > So don't put 80% of development resources to do what only 20% people need. > > Please, if someone know how to work with the text-based debian > installer, consider this approach. Let's set up a base system with the > text-based one, and continue the remainng parts in a GUI installer > after rebooting into X11. This is also what Windows does. > > Comments?
It needs to be a base system + X11 Otherwise it won't work. The other problem is the enormous effort and work we need to put in such a project. (e.g. I can promise you lots and lots of bugs, and yes I created an installer for ZevenOS-Neptune on my own, so I have a little experience in this) My suggestions just promote the alternate install cd for everyone who can't use the graphical (live) installer. Maybe we can one day also use the debian- live-installer (which is basically the textinstaller from debian but able to run and install from a live system) as an alternative to ubiquity. The problem I see from switching from ubiquity to X would be that lubuntu will never become an official flavor of ubuntu. (even kubuntu uses ubiquity under the hood and only created a kde'ish interface for it) > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset > > <jpx...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Unfortunately, it will be very difficult to reduce the memory > >> >> footprint of the installer for 11.04. > >> > >> The other question this poses is, is it really necessary to have a > >> graphical installer as the default for Lubuntu? > > > > Some time ago, there was a question on the mailing list "What do you > > expect from Lubuntu" and i think that a very important point is "it will > > go where Ubuntu can't" or something like that. > > A graphical installer is something that we do only one time (in theory) > > so if it's a little "ugly" (text) IMHO i don't see the problem. > > -- > > jpxsat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > > Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
