On 05/10/2014 12:08 AM, Aere Greenway wrote:
Ali, and all:
Hi Aere and everyone,
I tried running Xubuntu (from a USB stick) on my HP Mini (which I
think has an 11-inch wide screen - I didn't actually measure it).
Thanks a lot for your reply and for your tests :)
As far as I can tell, it behaved the same as Lubuntu.
The screen resolution on this machine is 1024 x 576, which is lacking
in the vertical dimension.
On my Samsung Notebook 11" display, the resolution was: 1024x600 on both
Xubuntu 14.04 LTS LiveUSB and Lubuntu 14.04 LTS that is installed on
that machine.
In booting Xubuntu from the USB stick, when the window appeared giving
you the choice to either try Xubuntu (or install Xubuntu), that window
was too 'tall' for the screen, and the bottom was cut-off. It was not
resized to fit.
My LiveUSB is made by UNetbootin and the menu wasn't cut-off in my case
and everything was okay.
After booting, I checked the system settings, and the display size
options were 1024 x 576 (the maximum), or a lesser resolution (which
would have cut-off things even more drastically).
When I ran my application, the bottom portion of the main window was
cut-off (the same as with Lubuntu). My system requirements state that
it needs a minimum vertical dimension of 670 pixels, and 576 is not
enough for it.
Maybe I didn't run enough application?
Would you please tell me what applications you tested?
As with Lubuntu, I could hold down the Alt-key, then click (and
hold-down) the left track-pad button (anywhere in the window - not
just on the title-bar), and drag the window upwards until the lower
right corner was exposed.
Then (as with Lubuntu), I was able to drag the lower-right corner
upward and to the left. This allowed me to reduce the dimensions of
the window from its 'preferred' dimensions, to its 'minimum'
dimensions, but no farther.
Yes, I can resize that - not sure I explained that? - but not all the
application allows you to do so. Some applications/tools by default, are
drawn in a way that none of the edges or borders are cut-off so I can
read exactly everything without resizing and sometimes with resizing.
However, some applications/tools don't actually allow you to do that or
these do but to a certain point where you can't go further and after
all, it is useless and you still miss the bottom part.
If my application allowed it to be re-sized smaller than the minimum
size, important controls would no longer appear within the window's
panels. That's why there is a minimum size the application can specify.
There was nothing in Xubuntu that scaled the entire window to fit
within the screen. If there is something you can do to make this
happen, please let me know (because I am not aware of it).
What about maximize? not 100% sure what you mean? sorry!
As far as I can tell, Xubuntu behaves the same as Lubuntu.
Maybe I didn't test enough. For me, they are not the same.
- Aere
Thank you again :)
@Everyone
Again, I'm asking :) yet no answer :)
Against which package should I report this?
Perhaps this is a general issue with Ubuntu not related to Lubuntu only?!
On 05/09/2014 10:36 AM, Ali Linx wrote:
On 04/28/2014 09:56 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
On 04/28/2014 10:03 AM, Ali Linx wrote:
I'm afraid that didn't change the fact the window is huge compared
to the size of the display which is really really pain and as I
explained, while I can live with, the newcomers I'm converting to
GNU/Linux using Lubuntu will not be happy at all.
Thank you!
P.S.
There should be nothing to be pressed by default. Logically, the
window should be auto adjusted to the size of the display. I have
no idea why Lubuntu can't do that?!
Ali:
Hello Aere and everyone :)
Be aware that the application has control over the preferred,
maximum, and minimum dimensions of the application window. In
resizing a window, it will not allow you to re-size it smaller than
the minimum screen dimensions.
I'm not 100% sure yet that you and others understand what I'm talking
about - maybe a screenshot? or that is not needed? :D
Thanks a lot, I'm aware of this but the problem is, I just can't see
the bottom of any big window because I can't resize it to the point I
can actually see the whole window.
Often, developers (having fast machines, and large-screen monitors),
forget to think of users with less-capable machines, and small
monitors.
If that is true and if you want my honest opinion, this would be
seriously bad :D
I mean, if they expect to present the best software, they 'should'
think of each and every possible case. To me, it seems they have
totally forgotten about the notebook with 11" inch screen :/
If the application (perhaps from lack of thinking by the developer)
sets a minimum size which won't fit on a netbook screen, the
application just can't be used on such a netbook unless they have
another monitor they can connect it to, that meets the window
dimension requirements.
If this is true, this is really really bad and if Julien does not
share a word in this regards, a side from reporting a bug, I should
stop using Lubuntu when I convert people ... I guess I will use
Xubuntu even though that would be a slower machine (a bit) - I don't
think Xubuntu is so slow anyway, I love it.
I am not aware of an operating system being able to scale an
application window to fit a screen (though my not being aware of it
doesn't mean it doesn't exist).
My dear friend, this should be a 'basic' and 'default' feature in
each and every system. I'm still stunned that Lubuntu fail to do it :(
An example of this I am familiar with, it that my main application
window will not fit on the netbook's screen. The minimum system
requirements I have, clearly state the screen dimensions required,
and the netbook's screen doesn't quite conform in the vertical
dimension.
Yet, I can use that application on the netbook, by using the
Alt-drag trick, positioning the window so that all of the important
controls are visible. On Windows (on that same machine), I can't
use my application at all, because I can only reposition the window
by clicking and dragging on the title-bar.
With MS Windows, IIRC, each time you change the resolution of the
screen, the applications/windows will be smaller as well. With
Lubuntu, it seems different case.
I haven't tested Xubuntu for example on that machine. Not sure if I
have time to do that but I guess I can always run it from the LiveUSB
and test it.
@Everyone
Any idea against what package should I report this? because it seems
emails are useless and the best way after all is to report a bug ;)
Thank you!
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