On 05/10/2014 05:01 PM, Israel wrote:
On 05/10/2014 06:53 AM, Ali Linx wrote:
On 05/10/2014 12:08 AM, Aere Greenway wrote:
Ali, and all:
Hi Aere and everyone,
Hi Ali!
Hi my friend,
I tried running Xubuntu (from a USB stick) on my HP Mini (which I
think has an 11-inch wide screen - I didn't actually measure it).
Thanks a lot for your reply and for your tests :)
As far as I can tell, it behaved the same as Lubuntu.
The screen resolution on this machine is 1024 x 576, which is lacking
in the vertical dimension.
On my Samsung Notebook 11" display, the resolution was: 1024x600 on
both Xubuntu 14.04 LTS LiveUSB and Lubuntu 14.04 LTS that is installed
on that machine.
In booting Xubuntu from the USB stick, when the window appeared
giving you the choice to either try Xubuntu (or install Xubuntu),
that window was too 'tall' for the screen, and the bottom was
cut-off. It was not resized to fit.
My LiveUSB is made by UNetbootin and the menu wasn't cut-off in my
case and everything was okay.
After booting, I checked the system settings, and the display size
options were 1024 x 576 (the maximum), or a lesser resolution (which
would have cut-off things even more drastically).
When I ran my application, the bottom portion of the main window was
cut-off (the same as with Lubuntu). My system requirements state
that it needs a minimum vertical dimension of 670 pixels, and 576 is
not enough for it.
Maybe I didn't run enough application?
Would you please tell me what applications you tested?
I think he was testing HIS application that he made. He codes a few (or
maybe many) apps for Music creation in Java. So the System requirements
for HIS program are a minimum 670 pixels.
Aere is 'she' not 'he' :D
As with Lubuntu, I could hold down the Alt-key, then click (and
hold-down) the left track-pad button (anywhere in the window - not
just on the title-bar), and drag the window upwards until the lower
right corner was exposed.
Then (as with Lubuntu), I was able to drag the lower-right corner
upward and to the left. This allowed me to reduce the dimensions of
the window from its 'preferred' dimensions, to its 'minimum'
dimensions, but no farther.
Yes, I can resize that - not sure I explained that? - but not all the
application allows you to do so. Some applications/tools by default,
are drawn in a way that none of the edges or borders are cut-off so I
can read exactly everything without resizing and sometimes with
resizing. However, some applications/tools don't actually allow you to
do that or these do but to a certain point where you can't go further
and after all, it is useless and you still miss the bottom part.
I think the issue at hand is that the applications themselves are coded
to have a certain minimum height/width in pixels. As most devs do not
work on a screen that small, and may not envision someone even trying to
use a screen that small, they don't make a minimum width that will work
on small screens.
Most likely that what happened which is, if true, really bad idea. As I
wrote:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2014-May/007629.html
"IMHO, the maximum default size (default/initial size = the size of the
window upon running it) of any window should be 'smaller' than the
resolution of the display. If this is the default settings, then we
would never have this issue no matter how small your screen is."
If my application allowed it to be re-sized smaller than the minimum
size, important controls would no longer appear within the window's
panels. That's why there is a minimum size the application can specify.
There was nothing in Xubuntu that scaled the entire window to fit
within the screen. If there is something you can do to make this
happen, please let me know (because I am not aware of it).
What about maximize? not 100% sure what you mean? sorry!
As far as I can tell, Xubuntu behaves the same as Lubuntu.
Maybe I didn't test enough. For me, they are not the same.
I think all the different distros have the same issue here. And it may
be something related to the display manager. I am not sure if X is the
issue here, or if it is something more along the lines of LightDM. But,
the issue you have is that the application window is drawn on the
screen, and part of it is cut off because the window is larger than the
screen size.
This is a problem not with Lubuntu (AFAIK), but with the display server
and how it handles drawing. I think the area to concentrate on would be
finding out if you can use the display server to emulate a higher
resolution (i.e. dropping pixels) in order to make it appear to UI that
the screen is larger than it is. I wonder if there is someone who has
done something to work around this issue??
Aere has the opposite thought. She thinks it is the applications not the
system.
For me, I have no idea and 'still' waiting for Julien to step in - not
sure when?!
Anyhow, if you are interested in doing a bit of hacking...
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
You could edit the screen resolution to be higher than it is, and see if
your problem is solved. Though when you are messing around with this
stuff MAKE A BACKUP OF THE WORKING CONFIG!!
That way if you break something, you can always boot into single user
mode, or use a liveCD (like puppy) to fix something (deleting the config
that breaks it and restoring your backup)
You know me very well my friend, I have zero time to try anything. I'm
glad that I can have some time to write this. More than this? I
seriously can't, sorry.
For me? as I mentioned, this is no big deal. For the 'new' people I'm
installing Lubuntu to? they will definitely need that. They're too busy
to complain about it but once they will have some free time, they will
give me hard time :(
This is one of the reasons (as mentioned before) why I can't use Lubuntu
always. I use it only with Mini machines (11 inch display) or when the
machine is super old. This is just one of the issues I'm having with
Lubuntu ...
- Aere
Thank you again :)
@Everyone
Again, I'm asking :) yet no answer :)
Against which package should I report this?
Perhaps this is a general issue with Ubuntu not related to Lubuntu only?!
Thank you!
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