Hi Israel,
Thanks for the as always considerate response.
1. I tried the sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
although I wonder if this has any more effect than issuing the two
commands separately but consecutively. Anyway it downloaded and installed
another 1-2MB of files which might just have been very recently released
to the repositories? Whatever, the whole thing still failed on the
sane-utils as before.
There's enough Trusty Tahr floating around to thwart the other sudo which
reports there isn't a new release to upgrade to.
Regarding the /home trick, I'm confused. First, does /home contain all my
chosen and explicitly installed apps as well as data in eg Documents and
Downloads folders? What about system-tied apps, e.g. utilities, which
might be replaced in the new release by proxies not to my liking? How can
I retain those without fouling up the new installation? I seem to recall
that updated versions of LibreOffice get installed in /opt...
Second, how do I redirect OS searches for /home away from the default disk
to the substitute, POST-installaion of the new release? (I'm presuming
that if the desirable /home is on sda6 and I am clean-installing to sda7,
involving formatting of sda7, and I rediract /home to sda6 DURING the
installation, the installer is going to wipe the /home on sda6, if not the
whole of sda6, as well as sda7
Any authoritative responses will be very welcome! I like the /home idea as
it suggests the potential of having a variety of Debian-based distros
accessing a common data- and- application base... but, "better safe than
sorry"
Basil
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:34:36 +0200, Israel <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Basil,
I generally do a 'clean' install for each new release.
I usually keep my /home in a separate partition,
and simply reinstall using a Live USB.
You could try simply updating your system from a terminal
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
or perhaps.
sudo do-release-upgrade
Of course you may need to move your configuration files to a backup, and
let the current system re-make them for you.
If you have an issue, we would like to help if we can :)
On 09/08/2014 05:11 AM, Basil Fernie wrote:
...or, Lost MY GUI in 14.04!
Been watching this one with a sort of morbid interest, because my laptop
is sitting with a failed upgrade from 12.04.? Symptoms include a
frequent
failure to display desktop on boot apart from taskbar across bottom of
screen and conky in top right-hand corner (at least the Xserver is
presumably working), I can select and run any application from the main
Lubuntu menu, so am not totally immobilised, but try "Send to gesktop"?
Nothing visible happens.
Also lack of the volume control applet icon on the taskbar so I have no
convenient means of muting sound. Certainly the sound is working, but
there is no control on the desktop. Task Manager advises pulseaudio at
work, also reveals
gvfs-afc-volume-monitor and gvfs-ufd-volume-monitor and
gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor are active, whatever they may be I don't
know how to control them or even if I should be able to.
And I have 817 uninstalled upgrades waiting for ...what? That number
has come down from over 830 after repeated apt-get update, apt-get
upgrade, apt-get autoremove sequences; it has stuck now stubbornly on
817. Seems to be blocked by a purported lack af sane-devices (but I
can scan without difficulty from my HP DeskJet F4180...)
Every now and then a "System Upgrade" advisory window opens - if I
click "Run" it frowns at me and says "This program cannot do an
upgrade from "Trusty" to "Precise". Which is understandable, but I was
rather hoping it wouls complete the upgrade from the older to the newer.
Oh, and I have 2 instances of nmapplet-manager running after boot,
but this is a know and resolved issue.
All this in the wake of an attempted click-and-lean-back,
watch-the-terminal-messages-scrolling-past automated upgrade from
12.04.04 to 14.04.1 (I had decided to wait for the first point update
to be released, memories of Microsoft days, better safe than sorry
right?)
Earlier, though, while still purportedly runnining on 12.04.?, and
religiously using "Update Manager" to stay, well, up-to-date, I wwould
be instructed to insert my 14.04 CD (DVD) as some needed files were on
it. So I did, the ISO DVD with which I had done live boots for
version-testing, and concluded that I would wait for 14.04.1 before
doing the system upgrade. Apparently UM couldn't penetrate the .iso
barrier (directory structure) to find the files it needed... Which
CD/DVD was it looking for, please advise? Surely this shouldn't be a
problem?
So while I would be delighted to help test L14.10, I'm not too
sanguine about committing time to a version which it doesn't seem will
be clear of the problems I already face, but will have the added
problem, I hear, that synaptiks won't be usable with it. Synaptiks is
the only reason I can type this e-mail on my laptop without going
crazy. This could be show-stopper stuff.
Currently I'm transferring workload bit-by-bit to a parallel
installation of LXDE 14.04.1 which of course depends heavily on
Lubuntu. It's not perfect, of course, but seems to be clear of most of
the hassles encountered here - so far.
Strength and fortitude and great appreciation to all,
Basil Fernie
On Sun, 07 Sep 2014 10:34:24 +0200, Henk Terhell <[email protected]>
wrote:
There are still several issues on both Lubuntu 14.10 and Xubuntu
14.10 on my device.
Main issues are:
Lubuntu 14.10:
- only after a terminal upgrade of nvidia driver 304 I get a GUI
back.The automatic upgrade from the menu of the software updater gave
me again the old version of 304.123 resulting in a blank screen.
- login is required after screen time-out, which cannot be switched
off. The handling through Xfce Power Manager is confusing and doesn't
function well (e.g. system sleep mode cannot be changed from
suspend). Installing xscreensaver could help to control the handling
of screen time-out, but such action is not needed in L14.04.
I will replace shortly my current L14.10 with a fresh daily build and
see what happens, but I don't expect differences.
Xubuntu 14.10:
- only from terminal login and command startx I get a GUI with latest
driver 304.123
- although the nvidia sound card is recognized with command inxi -AG,
there is no output to the internal monitor speakers (in lubuntu 14.10
there is no sound problem at all)
Henk
Israel schreef op 6-9-2014 om 20:25:
Great Henk!
So everything works for both L(X)ubuntu?
This issue shouldn't be present then in the daily builds, is this
correct?
You say there is a sound problem now?
Is this for Lubuntu or Xubuntu?
Maybe testing the daily image for Lubuntu will confirm that the
startx/nvidia issue is fixed.
On 09/06/2014 03:19 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
I just read about an upgrade fix that was issued for nvidia 304.123
(see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1365336
at
#45; there is an explanation at #32)
Xubuntu 14.10 still needs startx to boot the desktop after an upgrade
to this driver was received.
Very strange there is still a sound problem in this distro.
In Lubuntu 14.10 I did therefore also an upgrade sudo upgrade
nvidia-304 and got the desktop back!
Henk
Israel schreef op 5-9-2014 om 22:33:
Hi Henk,
So, if I understand you
Lubuntu cannot enter the Destkop, because it cannot start the
xserver.
Xubuntu fails to start the Xserver, but can start it from terminal.
Is this correct? The issue may still be the display manager since
Xubuntu does not start X automatically. However there is a
possibility
that Xorg in Utopic has changes that make supporting your card
difficult. I wonder if there are any xorg or xserver updates
since you
downloaded Lubuntu. I think someone with more understanding of the
entire display process of Linux needs to jump in here...
But... keep an eye on the updates, and see what packages come in an
either fix or break the machine. I may set up a VM to test this,
but I
have some other stuff going on right now that is taking up a lot of
time :)
On 09/05/2014 02:46 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
Strange enough Xubuntu 14.10 on the same PC doesn't start in GUI
but
hangs after every boot at the terminal. After login and StartX the
desktop appears.
Both nouveau and NVDIA 304.123 video drivers do work well in
Xubuntu
14.10 without any screen freezes so far . So there is difference
with
Lubuntu 14.10.
In Lubuntu 14.10, sound handling is much improved and worked for me
out-of-the-box.
In Xubuntu 14.10 I haven't yet figured out how to get sound as
Pulseaudio cannot find there my built-in monitor speakers.
Henk
Henk Terhell schreef op 5-9-2014 om 17:12:
Thanks Israel
I had filed a bug report #1363919 in the nvidia drivers section
some
days ago as I couldn't find a related report.
The screen dump of startx is different as before. It now only
shows a
non-fatal error about XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (Type
"ONE_Level" has
1 levels but <RALT> has 2 symbols).
A good idea to install Xubuntu 14.10 alongside. I'll let you know.
Henk
Israel schreef op 5-9-2014 om 16:24:
Hi Henk,
My guess is that this is something to do with lightdm still,
since
you
just got an upgrade for it.
That would be the place to start looking. You could search
Launchpad to
see if there is a bug related to this issue. If you cannot
find any,
I'd suggest opening a bug for it. It may effect users of
different
desktop environments as well, and then we can know that it is
not a
Lubuntu specific issue. If it is specific to Lubuntu then it
may be
related to the Lubuntu session file.... (sorry I can't remember
what it
is called at the moment). This is the Lubuntu specific 'startx'
command.
I am guessing you still cannot 'startx' and get X up.
You could also try downgrading lightdm, I suppose, but that can
be
rather messy when you do things like that...
Another option would be to install something like Xubuntu in a
secondary
partition and see if you are effected with the same issue when
you
update.
Hope this is fully fixed before release!
On 09/05/2014 08:34 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
Hi Israel
If I recall correctly I got two times upgrades of 14.10 in
last two
days, 3 sept. and today.
Lost my desktop again with the first one.
The output of your command is below:
Henk
libdvdnav4:i386
simple-scan:i386
python3-gi:i386
linux-headers-generic:i386
linux-image-generic:i386
linux-libc-dev:i386
python-gi:i386
python-gobject:all
python3-update-manager:all
update-manager-core:all
update-manager:all
libldap-2.4-2:i386
chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra:i386
lshw:i386
usb-creator-gtk:i386
usb-creator-common:i386
lightdm:i386
liblightdm-gobject-1-0:i386
language-pack-en:all
language-pack-gnome-en:all
iproute2:i386
libmpdec2:i386
libhunspell-1.3-0:i386
libstartup-notification0:i386
python3-problem-report:all
python3-apport:all
apport:all
apport-gtk:all
libfm-extra4:i386
libfm-gtk-data:all
libfm-data:all
libfm-gtk4:i386
libfm4:i386
libfm-modules:i386
upstart:i386
upstart-bin:i386
systemd-shim:i386
binutils:i386
cpp:i386
gcc:i386
g++:i386
pcmanfm:i386
lxshortcut:i386
libitm1:i386
libgomp1:i386
gcc-4.9-base:i386
libstdc++6:i386
libasan1:i386
libubsan0:i386
libcilkrts5:i386
libatomic1:i386
libquadmath0:i386
libgcc-4.9-dev:i386
cpp-4.9:i386
gcc-4.9:i386
g++-4.9:i386
libstdc++-4.9-dev:i386
libgcc1:i386
libpulse0:i386
libpulse-mainloop-glib0:i386
linux-libc-dev:i386
Israel schreef op 5-9-2014 om 15:00:
Hi Henk,
What packages were upgraded on your system?
Something like this command:
awk '$3~/^upgrade$/ {print $4;}' /var/log/dpkg.log
can get that info.
On 09/05/2014 03:52 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
The GUI has gone again after upgrades this week ...
Henk
Henk Terhell schreef op 2-9-2014 om 00:28:
The upgrade received today on Lubuntu 14.10 has fully
resolved
this
problem.
Nvida-304.123 works OK now.
My thanks to the dev team.
Henk
Henk Terhell schreef op 1-9-2014 om 00:26:
After purging driver NVIDIA-304 I got my desktop back with
the
default nouveau driver. However opening Firefox rapidly
caused a
screen freeze.
The older NVIDIA-173 did the same after installing and
rebooting. I
therefore switched back to NVIDIA-304.123 from the list and
again no
GUI...
So now I know (a) the absence of GUI was caused by the
driver
and
(b) none of the recommended video drivers for Lubuntu 14.10
beta can
be used on this Geforce 6100 card.
For Lubuntu 14.04 (and 14.10 alpha) the recommended
NVIDIA-304.117
does not cause any problems.
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