Was the pre-installed culture a problem or an innovation worth celebrating? I honestly think it is a problem to those that don't fancy marketing. Despite being a FLOSS guy, I do admire some of the marketing innovations M$ brought into the Software industry.
Wire On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:57 +0300, Simon Vass wrote: > Linux is attracting less than 20% on the desktop market is quite simple. > Linux is not easy to use. > > I think it has more to do with aggressive marketing by Microsoft in > making sure all OEM's install Windows. Windows 3.x was a travesty in > terms of easy of use but it started the whole pre-installed culture > which we are still fighting today. > > > Simon > > Simon > > Mugarura Cavin wrote: > > The reason why > > Linux is attracting less than 20% on the desktop market is quite simple. > > Linux is not easy to use. You dont need a doctor (Western/African) to > > tell you this. The different distro's have tried to address this > > concern. So simon - I did not state that Linpus is the messiah, but i > > suggested that it has a chance. There could be other's which are even > > simpler. > > > > can i stop here. > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:00 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Send LUG mailing list submissions to > >> [email protected] > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of LUG digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Why You should all Care. (Simon Vass) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:58:10 +0300 > >> From: Simon Vass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Why You should all Care. > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >> > >> and breath...... well said Jon. I think Joseph might have been playing > >> devil's advocate though. I was most interested in > >> > >> Obama's rise to the highest seat, should be a lesson to cliques who > >> > >>> think Microsoft will dominate forever, > >>> i have i used several distro's of Linux, but right now i might say > >>> Linpus is the closest to wrestling Windoze > >>> from the lead. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Is there ways we can use this recent election to draw experiences to > >> promote Open Source? Yes I think that OSS can be spread much faster > >> through the grassroots, which seems to have played a huge part in this > >> election. We can encourage that changing to use OSS is not something to > >> fear but embrace. To quote the man "Yes we can!". We can continue to > >> define/develop how open source differs from closed and keep explaining > >> how the community works. > >> > >> IMHO I do not think any one distribution is going to wrestle the lead > >> from Microsoft, and in all honesty I think this is no longer the battle. > >> Focusing on the desktop has developed Linux a long way but with more and > >> more Applications being placed in the cloud I think this is a) were the > >> focus should be and b) were I think Linux actually leads. What is > >> interesting is that Microsoft are listening and have sped up the > >> development of Windows 7. This should be the communities focus, as this > >> I feel is a primary strength. The speed at which many can move over one > >> monolith company is amazing. I am always amazed at how withing hours of > >> a bug being filed in Linux fixes are posted, where as it take MS weeks. > >> > >> This I feel is one of the OSS double edged swords, that you can "skin > >> the cat" any one of infinite (exaggeration) ways and as such it become a > >> myriad of options and choices, and no sooner do you make your choice and > >> a new one is presented. I seem to spend my entire life reading and > >> learning about new applications and methods, which I love, but recognize > >> this is not for everyone, and a very big part of my job is to filter > >> this for my clients. > >> > >> So how to we retain the complexity and diversity of OSS, but at the same > >> time allow people (including me) to make simple decisions as to which > >> OS/Email App/etc they would like to use, and would do the best for them. > >> > >> Personally I feel very buoyed about the elections in the U.S. and > >> especially by the reaction of the world to it. I too come from a diverse > >> background and have a diverse heritage. Anything that allow > >> people/countries to move beyond the politics of me to us and our I think > >> can only be a good thing. I especially was blown away at how > >> Youtube/Twitter played a part in this election. Whilst the realism that > >> for the majority of Africans is that this is still a world away, slowly > >> one person at a time this is changing and with it the way we must view > >> the world as a collection of individual countries and or distributions. > >> > >> Simon > >> > >> > >> > >> J.Gosier wrote: > >> > >>> I can't believe this was said from a native African. > >>> > >>> Here is the one reason why everyone in the world should care that > >>> Obama is th president Elect of the United States. Since World War II > >>> the U.S. has been the most powerful, influential nation on the > >>> planet. For better or for worse, the economy exploded rapidly, the > >>> state of Europe today was 100% affected by what happened then and > >>> Africa has been on the receiving end of shovels full of money from > >>> both the U.S., Europe, the U.N. and the World Bank. Because of other > >>> nations meddling, there's been a chess game at work when it comes to > >>> Africa's developing countries. One leader is aided in wresting power > >>> from someone else more corrupt because other nations around the globe > >>> have vested interests in having someone 'friendly' to their ideals. > >>> That more than anything has been the story of Africa since colonialism. > >>> > >>> This has lead to the deaths of millions to the rise of a number of > >>> 'bad idea to begin with' leaders all over the continent. As much as > >>> America claims it doesn't play this game, it does. It's helped define > >>> borders (ex. Liberia) and end wars. It's helped fight famine and slow > >>> the spread of AIDS. > >>> > >>> So whomever controls the most powerful and influential nation in the > >>> world, becomes by default the most powerful person in the world. That > >>> person can be an stubborn, intolerant, childish, ignorant, > >>> unprecedented moron like Georgia W. Bush or it can be a progressive, > >>> inspirational, open-minded person like Barack Obama. > >>> > >>> When the U.S. bombed Somalia looking for Al-Quaeda in 2006-7 you're > >>> telling me it 'didn't matter' who was in charge to make that > >>> decision? When we started an endless war in Iraq for reasons that > >>> were blatant lies to the American public, it 'didn't matter' who was > >>> in charge? When our country put pressure on all our 'allies' to > >>> mirror our decisions in all this, it 'didn't matter' who was in > >>> charge? When the American economy tanked because of poor regulation > >>> and oversight from our government, it 'didn't matter' that this > >>> rippled around the world (arguably) sending the world economy into > >>> recession? And ultimately, when George Bush and John McCain tell the > >>> American public 'Nothing is wrong, everything is fine. We must stay > >>> the course.' it doesn't matter? Despite the fact that most of the > >>> world disagreed with how we were making decisions. It absolutely > >>> matters. In fact it matters so much, it matters more than it > >>> *should*, for the sake of 'world-democracy'. > >>> > >>> Even if you don't agree with the policies, the ideals and culture of > >>> America, one thing is for sure: we're all connected. My interest in > >>> what's going on in America right now is every bit as deep as my > >>> concern for what will happen to the ANC in South Africa and the > >>> situation in Congo. One thing affects another and, especially in > >>> Africa, history shows us that when one area falls into a chaos, it has > >>> a way of negatively affecting the countries around it. > >>> > >>> People around the world often complain about how dumb, ignorant and > >>> aggressive American people can be. I'd argue that, while one man > >>> can't possibly change 300 million people, he can lead in a way that > >>> inspires more to be like him. He can simply serve as a positive > >>> example. > >>> > >>> The excitement has nothing to do with the fact that he's black and a > >>> first generation African-American, in my opinion. That's just a > >>> footnote among all the reasons to be excited about Obama...and this is > >>> coming from a Black-American. I'd have been just as excited if his > >>> ancestry were Asian whatever else if his ideals and philosophies were > >>> the same. Hilary Clinton would have made an 'okay' leader but a few > >>> things curbed my interest in her a) how she (negatively) ran her > >>> campaign and b) the fact she supported the Iraq war. Again, it has > >>> nothing to do with race or gender, it's all about the mans mentality > >>> and what he's exemplified in his actions. > >>> > >>> Okay, enough ranting about my country for now. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Jonathan D. Gosier > >>> Appfrica International > >>> P.O. Box 1420 Kampala, Uganda > >>> http://appfrica.net - African Technology and Social Media Blog > >>> http://appfrica.org - Incubator for East African Entrepreneurs in Software > >>> > >>> Uganda +256.773806071 > >>> USA +1.520.318.0828 ext 145 > >>> UK +44.2032398156 > >>> Skype j.gosier > >>> Twitter appfrica > >>> > >>> > >>> joseph mpora wrote: > >>> > >>>> I really don't see the cause for all the excitement. I can understand > >>>> why African-Americans are excited, it's the first time the US has > >>>> picked a president from a minority (can't remember the exact > >>>> percentage but its around 20%) > >>>> > >>>> For Africa, it probably bears not real significance. Obama is > >>>> American, his priority is America. I believe his dad (the Kenyan) > >>>> abandoned his family and Obama has only visited Kenya a few times. > >>>> > >>>> Would we be this excited if it had been Hillary Clinton, an election > >>>> which would have been just as historic? > >>>> > >>>> PS: I was routing for Obama, mostly because what he said made sense, > >>>> not because he is black (ahem, African-American) > >>>> > >>>> J > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Dennis M S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Need i say more....history has been made ,now every down trodden > >>>>> fellow can dream....it can only b USA > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> LUG mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>>>> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >>>>> > >>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > >>>>> attachments if any). 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