so there you have it, your network manager is able to detect the wireless but you wont browse or ping as i told you earlier because the network is security enabled. so put in the password and you should set. without that you wont connect unless you try to connect to an unsecure network(passwordless). Am of the view that you have not tried to tamper with the settings of your wlan0. Set in the password and let me know how it goes.
2009/12/3 DOUGLAS <[email protected]>: > am using gnome network manager..on ping(cannot connect to remote site)it > actually states that cannot make changes cause network services are being > handled by the network manager....(or may be i have mistakes in my network > manager settings)then its true there is need for a password but thats after > you have connected to infocom its inserted into the browser like a cafe > voucher thing > thanks > > DOUGLAS WERE > BSC.COMPUTER SCIENCE > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 8:59:44 AM > Subject: LUG Digest, Vol 64, Issue 16 > > Send LUG mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of LUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Certification vs Experience (Niles Collins) > 2. Re: connect to a infocom wireless network on suse11 (roy mukasa) > 3. Re: connect to a infocom wireless network on suse11 (roy mukasa) > 4. School: Employee Used Computer To Hunt Aliens > ([email protected]) > 5. Re: School: Employee Used Computer To Hunt Aliens > (Otandeka Simon Peter) > 6. connect to infocom wireless (DOUGLAS) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:37:19 -0500 > From: Niles Collins <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LUG] Certification vs Experience > To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am trying to say that passing the exam does not demonstrate that you > understand the material in the exam. For instance the NET+ exam. I have come > across several people who have passed this exam but still don't understand > subnets and could not run a Cat5 drop. Selecting between 4 choices to find > the right answer in an exam doesn't show that you truly understand the > material. > > Certifications can only get your so far. Eventually you will need some hard > experience to be able to understand problems and fix them. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://orion.kym.net/pipermail/lug/attachments/20091202/91295e92/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:42:23 +0300 > From: roy mukasa <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LUG] connect to a infocom wireless network on suse11 > To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > ok this is what i think, when you get into command line are u able to > ping any site? If not then what error does it bring back? Secondly if > the infocom network is security enabled type its password then you > will be set. Your Knetwork manager is able to detect any network and > can connect to most of them even those that are security enabled but > you will not be able to browse any site if u dont put the password. > let me know which is which and if this helped you. > > 2009/12/2 Rob Gipman <[email protected]>: >> :) was about to say same here.. >> >> On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 17:15 +0300, Reinier Battenberg wrote: >>> Hi Douglas, >>> >>> As several people stated, you have to provide more information. >>> >>> rgds, >>> >>> reinier >>> _______________________________________________ >>> LUG mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>> >>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>> attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. >>> --------------------------------------- >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. >> --------------------------------------- >> >> > > > > -- > Roy Mukasa > MUK FCIT > +256774291110 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:44:08 +0300 > From: roy mukasa <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LUG] connect to a infocom wireless network on suse11 > To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hey Douglas, > ok this is what i think, when you get into command line > are u able to > ping any site? If not then what error does it bring back? Secondly if > the infocom network is security enabled type its password then you > will be set. Your Knetwork manager is able to detect any network and > can connect to most of them even those that are security enabled but > you will not be able to browse any site if u dont put the password. > let me know which is which and if this helped you. > > 2009/12/2 DOUGLAS <[email protected]>: >> am a new user to suse linux and i have access to the infocom wireless >> network 24-7 but have so far failed to connect to it >> using suse network manager been to all blogs around but not so helpful can >> anyone come to my resue please >> will greatly appreciate >> >> DOUGLAS WERE >> BSC.COMPUTER SCIENCE >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 12:02:41 PM >> Subject: LUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 75 >> >> Send LUG mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of LUG digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: linux.or.ug (McTim) >> 2. Re: linux.or.ug (Mark Tinka) >> 3. Re: linux.or.ug (Hari Kurup) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:34:28 +0300 >> From: McTim <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LUG] linux.or.ug >> To: [email protected], Linux Users Group Uganda >> <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Mark Tinka <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> On Monday 30 November 2009 04:07:50 pm Simon Vass wrote: >>> >>>> Can confirm Infocom also on VSAT backup, does indeed look >>>> like the fibre took a tumble this morning. >>> >>> Anybody know where the cut is? Submarine access appears >>> to still exist into Nairobi: >> >> yep: >> >> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert 193.0.0.193 >> >> Tracing route to ns.ripe.net [193.0.0.193] >> over a maximum of 30 hops: >> >> 1 63 ms 3 ms 3 ms 192.168.1.1 >> 2 59 ms 41 ms 44 ms 41.206.46.10.accesskenya.com >> [41.206.46.10] >> 3 47 ms 44 ms 49 ms ge-1-0-0-bp_core01.accesskenya.com >> [196.207.31.33] >> 4 47 ms 49 ms 50 ms TenGE-2-1-BP_EDGE01.accesskenya.com >> [196.207.31.145] >> 5 214 ms 214 ms 214 ms po7-3-0.lonse1.London.opentransit.net >> [193.251.251.129] >> 6 217 ms 229 ms 214 ms >> tengige0-0-4-0.lontr1.London.opentransit.net [193.251.129.69] >> 7 223 ms 224 ms 224 ms >> tengige1-7-1-0.pastr1.Paris.opentransit.net [193.251.128.66] >> 8 227 ms 284 ms 534 ms te10-2.passe1.Paris.opentransit.net >> [193.251.128.146] >> 9 277 ms 234 ms 234 ms te4-2.parse7.Paris.opentransit.net >> [193.251.129.166] >> 10 239 ms 231 ms 234 ms neotelecoms.GW.opentransit.net >> [193.251.254.50] >> 11 216 ms 229 ms 219 ms xe1-2-0.tcr1.rb.par.as8218.eu [83.167.56.178] >> 12 233 ms 239 ms 239 ms xe0-0-0.tcr1.eun.ams.as8218.eu [83.167.63.227] >> 13 * * * Request timed out. >> 14 246 ms 244 ms 244 ms ns.ripe.net [193.0.0.193] >> >> Trace complete. >> >> and from nbo to kla: >> >> >> >> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert infocom.co.ug >> >> Tracing route to infocom.co.ug [41.190.128.22] >> over a maximum of 30 hops: >> >> 1 62 ms 3 ms 3 ms 192.168.1.1 >> 2 52 ms 44 ms 49 ms 41.206.46.10.accesskenya.com >> [41.206.46.10] >> 3 48 ms 49 ms 44 ms fe-01-kixp.accesskenya.com [196.207.31.78] >> 4 56 ms 44 ms 43 ms fe-01-kixp.accesskenya.com [196.207.31.78] >> 5 53 ms 49 ms 59 ms 198.32.143.81 >> 6 57 ms 59 ms 61 ms 41.220.227.5 >> 7 55 ms 54 ms 59 ms 41.220.228.34 >> 8 67 ms 69 ms 64 ms 41.222.0.1 >> 9 52 ms 54 ms 59 ms www-svr-celtel.imul.com [41.190.128.22] >> >> Trace complete. >> >> but mtn over the bird: ? >> >> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert demon.mtn.co.ug >> >> Tracing route to demon.mtn.co.ug [212.88.97.20] >> over a maximum of 30 hops: >> >> 1 59 ms 3 ms 3 ms 192.168.1.1 >> 2 48 ms 49 ms 49 ms 41.206.46.10.accesskenya.com >> [41.206.46.10] >> 3 49 ms 44 ms 44 ms ge-1-0-0-bp_core01.accesskenya.com >> [196.207.31.33] >> 4 46 ms 44 ms 49 ms TenGE-2-1-BP_EDGE01.accesskenya.com >> [196.207.31.145] >> 5 470 ms 294 ms 219 ms po7-3-0.lonse1.London.opentransit.net >> [193.251.251.129] >> 6 214 ms 219 ms 234 ms teleglobe-2.GW.opentransit.net >> [193.251.150.214] >> 7 210 ms 209 ms 209 ms >> if-0-1-0-62.mcore3.LDN-London.as6453.net [195.219.83.2] >> 8 242 ms 229 ms 234 ms >> if-6-0-0.core1.AD1-Amsterdam.as6453.net [80.231.80.29] >> 9 255 ms 259 ms 269 ms >> if-1-0-0-1663.core1.FV0-Frankfurt.as6453.net [80.231.80.90] >> 10 235 ms 254 ms 249 ms 195.219.69.34 >> 11 316 ms 244 ms 244 ms >> ix-10-0.icore1.F2C-Frankfurt.as6453.net [195.219.148.66] >> 12 292 ms 499 ms 249 ms AUX11-IIX12.highway.telekom.at [195.3.70.205] >> 13 249 ms 524 ms 250 ms 195.3.118.186 >> 14 242 ms 244 ms 249 ms 80.120.208.130 >> 15 766 ms 764 ms 779 ms 83.229.62.2 >> 16 771 ms 779 ms 784 ms 83.229.62.1 >> 17 770 ms 780 ms 949 ms h136.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug [212.88.97.54] >> 18 796 ms 797 ms 769 ms h135.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug [212.88.97.53] >> 19 * * * Request timed out. >> 20 * * * Request timed out. >> 21 * * * Request timed out. >> 22 * * * Request timed out. >> 23 * * * Request timed out. >> 24 * * * Request timed out. >> 25 * * >> >> >> but it doesn't seem to route flapping, the link via KDN/Infocom is still >> up: >> >> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert infocom.co.ug >> >> Tracing route to infocom.co.ug [41.190.128.22] >> over a maximum of 30 hops: >> >> 1 58 ms 3 ms 3 ms 192.168.1.1 >> 2 45 ms 44 ms 44 ms 41.206.46.10.accesskenya.com >> [41.206.46.10] >> 3 56 ms 49 ms 49 ms fe-01-kixp.accesskenya.com [196.207.31.78] >> 4 47 ms 44 ms 44 ms fe-01-kixp.accesskenya.com [196.207.31.78] >> 5 50 ms 49 ms 44 ms 198.32.143.81 >> 6 50 ms 49 ms 44 ms 41.220.227.5 >> 7 65 ms 54 ms 79 ms 41.220.228.34 >> 8 55 ms 54 ms 54 ms 41.222.0.1 >> 9 58 ms 79 ms 49 ms www-svr-celtel.imul.com [41.190.128.22] >> >> Trace complete. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:43:37 +0800 >> From: Mark Tinka <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LUG] linux.or.ug >> To: McTim <[email protected]> >> Cc: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> On Monday 30 November 2009 04:34:28 pm McTim wrote: >> >>> but it doesn't seem to route flapping, the link via >>> KDN/Infocom is still up: >> >> If the .ug <=> .ke link is still up, then something else is >> going on. >> >> Mark. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: not available >> Type: application/pgp-signature >> Size: 836 bytes >> Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. >> Url : >> >> http://orion.kym.net/pipermail/lug/attachments/20091130/0df346b2/attachment.pgp >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:50:35 +0200 >> From: Hari Kurup <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LUG] linux.or.ug >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> On 11/30/09 10:10 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:- >>> On Monday 30 November 2009 04:00:03 pm Reinier Battenberg wrote: >>> >>>> I forwarded this to our ISP and hope they will post a response soon. >>>> >>>> In general, what this means is that SEACOM is down and they are now on a >>>> satelite connection. Why that connection cant give you a ping/traceroute >>>> to >>>> our server, i dont know. >>> >>> If you hang in there, it will complete: >> >> it wasn't completing earlier at all but now does.... over the satellite. >> perhaps I caught it during the switch over. >> >> -- >> Hari >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> >> End of LUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 75 >> *********************************** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any >> way. >> --------------------------------------- >> >> >> > > > > -- > Roy Mukasa > MUK FCIT > +256774291110 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:40:50 -0700 > From: [email protected] > Subject: [LUG] School: Employee Used Computer To Hunt Aliens > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Confused school district fires sysadmin for running s...@home: 'As an > educational institution we do not support the search for E.T.' > > Officials said the alien-seeking software had been running since > Niesluchowski was hired nearly 10 years ago. "Basically our processors > were hooked up and running 24 hours a day, 12 months a year, every day > of the school year," > > -- > Simon Sekidde > gpg: 98A6 8D22 578C FFCE F6F8 FC80 94D4 2451 1E8B 049D > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:48:23 +0300 > From: Otandeka Simon Peter <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LUG] School: Employee Used Computer To Hunt Aliens > To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Can you send us the link to whole story. Looks very interesting. > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:40 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Confused school district fires sysadmin for running s...@home: 'As an >> educational institution we do not support the search for E.T.' >> >> Officials said the alien-seeking software had been running since >> Niesluchowski was hired nearly 10 years ago. "Basically our processors >> were hooked up and running 24 hours a day, 12 months a year, every day >> of the school year," >> >> -- >> Simon Sekidde >> gpg: 98A6 8D22 578C FFCE F6F8 FC80 94D4 2451 1E8B 049D >> _______________________________________________ >> LUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any >> way. >> --------------------------------------- >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://orion.kym.net/pipermail/lug/attachments/20091203/380b0606/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:59:30 -0800 (PST) > From: DOUGLAS <[email protected]> > Subject: [LUG] connect to infocom wireless > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > when i scan using the terminal no scan results but wireless card is well > detected and recognised > it was only once when i saw it connected to another network (like the first > time i checked it out) tried reconfiguring it but it still doesnt do much it > tells me network manager cant be disabled (not exactly but something like > that)what is the exact process i should use to reconfigure and connect > DOUGLAS WERE > BSC.COMPUTER SCIENCE > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 6:32:01 PM > Subject: LUG Digest, Vol 64, Issue 15 > > Send LUG mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of LUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Certification vs Experience (Rob Gipman) > 2. Re: connect to a infocom wireless network on suse11 > (Reinier Battenberg) > 3. Re: connect to a infocom wireless network on suse11 (Rob Gipman) > 4. Re: Certification vs Experience (Mwirima Byaruhanga) > 5. Re: Certification vs Experience (sanga collins) > 6. Re: Certification vs Experience (Niles Collins) > 7. Re: Certification vs Experience (Rob Gipman) > 8. Re: Certification vs Experience (Rob Gipman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:09:09 +0300 > From: Rob Gipman <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LUG] Certification vs Experience > To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <1259762949.26914.84.ca...@gipukan> > Content-Type: text/plain > > I'm with you on that Victor :) > > Gip > > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:20 +0300, Victor Miclovich wrote: >> hire what your gut instinct tells you to... if I'm given only 2 >> choices: the paper freak and the scarred veteran (without papers)... >> I'd choose the veteran; >> if I have 3 options >> - paper freak >> - scarred veteran >> - paper freak & scarred veteran (with battle bruises) >> I'd choose the third... >> >> >> We are looking at all possible options and logical thought... if my >> instinct tells me that, in the 3-option case, scarred veteran-only is >> a fun guy and has all good qualities like being a team player, with >> some great communication at least with me (even other team members)... >> I might reconsider option number 2 :) >> >> >> cheers >> Victor >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Mwirima Byaruhanga <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > So do you hire the guy/gal who looks like he/she can do it >> or the >> > gal/guy who has the battle scars? >> >> >> i'd hire one with both >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >> (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not >> responsible for them in any way. >> --------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. >> --------------------------------------- >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:15:15 +0300 > From: Reinier Battenberg <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LUG] connect to a infocom wireless network on suse11 > To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Douglas, > > As several people stated, you have to provide more information. > > rgds, > > reinier > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:23:16 +0300 > From: Rob Gipman <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LUG] connect to a infocom wireless network on suse11 > To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <1259763796.26914.85.ca...@gipukan> > Content-Type: text/plain > > :) was about to say same here.. > > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 17:15 +0300, Reinier Battenberg wrote: >> Hi Douglas, >> >> As several people stated, you have to provide more information. >> >> rgds, >> >> reinier >> _______________________________________________ >> LUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. >> --------------------------------------- >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:09:15 +0400 > From: Mwirima Byaruhanga <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LUG] Certification vs Experience > To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > sanga collins wrote thus on 12/2/09 5:56 PM: >> Here is my take on the whole matter and why I would lean towards the >> experienced candidate. >> >> Certifications can be bought. > > whomever buys a certification will certainly have some sort of > experience to back it up, else, like they say, ... you'll be a > barefaced. > >> Experience has to be earned. An >> experienced candidate can even read the course work necessary to >> obtain that cert without actually taking the exam. > > but it *is* different from taking the exam. > >> Still I would like my employees to have at least one cert/degree in >> the it field. To me that conveys that they have the drive and >> motivation to complete their college education or at least be >> qualified for the job. > > ack. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:17:48 -0500 > From: sanga collins <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LUG] Certification vs Experience > To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > when i said bought ... i didnt mean going to the black market and purchasing > a counterfeit certificate and exam scores. i meant that education can always > be paid for. but experience is not something you go to your local college > and register for classes. > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Mwirima Byaruhanga <[email protected]> wrote: > >> sanga collins wrote thus on 12/2/09 5:56 PM: >> > Here is my take on the whole matter and why I would lean towards the >> > experienced candidate. >> > >> > Certifications can be bought. >> >> whomever buys a certification will certainly have some sort of >> experience to back it up, else, like they say, ... you'll be a >> barefaced. >> >> > Experience has to be earned. An >> > experienced candidate can even read the course work necessary to >> > obtain that cert without actually taking the exam. >> >> but it *is* different from taking the exam. >> >> > Still I would like my employees to have at least one cert/degree in >> > the it field. To me that conveys that they have the drive and >> > motivation to complete their college education or at least be >> > qualified for the job. >> >> ack. >> _______________________________________________ >> LUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any >> way. >> --------------------------------------- >> >> > > > -- > Sanga M. Collins > Network Engineering > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Google Voice: (954) 324-1365 > E- fax: (435) 578 7411 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://orion.kym.net/pipermail/lug/attachments/20091202/8c49bb98/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:25:57 -0500 > From: Niles Collins <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LUG] Certification vs Experience > To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I was thinking of bought as in, going to a technical school for 1 year to > become MSCE certified but don't know a single thing about computers when you > get out. But you are certified and therefore on a short list of candidates > as soon as you apply for a job. > > I have encountered quite a few of these people in my career. A good > interviewer should weed these candidates out but that does not happen most > of the time. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://orion.kym.net/pipermail/lug/attachments/20091202/042e83a3/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:29:05 +0300 > From: Rob Gipman <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LUG] Certification vs Experience > To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <1259767745.26914.95.ca...@gipukan> > Content-Type: text/plain > > That would work a lot in Uganda and els where in Africa. I've already > seen plenty with a computer knowledge certificate that do not know how > to insert de cdrom in the drive! Or connect a utp cat5 cable! > > In the western world one can call the training companies to ask if you > did pas for the exam you hold and show. I wonder if MUK or the others > hold up to that here. > > Gip > > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 10:17 -0500, sanga collins wrote: >> when i said bought ... i didnt mean going to the black market and >> purchasing a counterfeit certificate and exam scores. i meant that >> education can always be paid for. but experience is not something you >> go to your local college and register for classes. >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Mwirima Byaruhanga <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> sanga collins wrote thus on 12/2/09 5:56 PM: >> > Here is my take on the whole matter and why I would lean >> towards the >> > experienced candidate. >> > >> > Certifications can be bought. >> >> >> whomever buys a certification will certainly have some sort of >> experience to back it up, else, like they say, ... you'll be a >> barefaced. >> >> > Experience has to be earned. An >> > experienced candidate can even read the course work >> necessary to >> > obtain that cert without actually taking the exam. >> >> >> but it *is* different from taking the exam. >> >> > Still I would like my employees to have at least one >> cert/degree in >> > the it field. To me that conveys that they have the drive >> and >> > motivation to complete their college education or at least >> be >> > qualified for the job. >> >> >> ack. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >> (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not >> responsible for them in any way. >> --------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sanga M. Collins >> Network Engineering >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Google Voice: (954) 324-1365 >> E- fax: (435) 578 7411 >> _______________________________________________ >> LUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. >> --------------------------------------- >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:31:38 +0300 > From: Rob Gipman <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LUG] Certification vs Experience > To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <1259767898.26914.97.ca...@gipukan> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Like I was just saying I even saw to many certified sitting behind a > desk and calling themselves IT Manager. Permit thos that a > > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 10:25 -0500, Niles Collins wrote: >> I was thinking of bought as in, going to a technical school for 1 year >> to become MSCE certified but don't know a single thing about computers >> when you get out. But you are certified and therefore on a short list >> of candidates as soon as you apply for a job. >> >> I have encountered quite a few of these people in my career. A good >> interviewer should weed these candidates out but that does not happen >> most of the time. >> _______________________________________________ >> LUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). 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