Thoroughly enjoyable debate on this issue. What I've had to say in the past on this issue, tends to align with what McTim is saying.
Still, it seems to me that the fundamental issue is one of credibility. Of course for some definition of the word "national", the .ug domain space can be defined as such. Perhaps the good people at UCC need to redo their case, this time with fewer claims that might legitimately be referred to as, um, BS*. And also motivate a little better, so it doesn't look like we are operating by so-called politician's logic**, i.e.: We must do something. This is something. Therefore we must do it. P. * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit ** http://www.jonathanlynn.com/tv/yes_minister_series/yes_minister_episode_quotes.htm On Jul 06, 2010, at 11:08, Wire James wrote: > McTim > > Thanks for quoting the RFC. However, just a quick reminder, while in school, > we were taught about evolution. What may not have been anticipated at the > start of this whole internet thing is probably taking center stage. While the > RFC may have been ideal for the circumstances 15 years ago, alot of water has > passed under the bridge and the importance that these TLDs carry today can no > longer be under-estimated. While the principle of the RFC still applies > today, it should also be revised to integrate not only individuals managing > but also organisations. I dont see what is hard there especially if it is the > very internet community asking for this change. If democracy be the virtue of > what we do, then we can always agree to modify what one man or a few select > people envisaged decades ago shouldnt be a problem at all. > > My proposal is that lets engage UCC as civil society or private sector and > see to it that we achieve a middle ground on the issues where our fears are > manifesting. > > Wire > > > On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 09:26 -0400, McTim wrote: >> >> Hi Wire, >> >> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Wire James <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I have read through the comments made on this subject and indeed while I >> > concur with the fact that some polishing is needed on the way forward with >> > the .ug, there are facts we can not keep hiding away from. What are those >> > facts? >> > >> > 1. The .ug is a national resource >> >> >> Is it in fact a "national resource"? It wasn't meant to be >> originally. If it was, the IANA (Jon PPostel at that point) would have >> delegated to gov't reps exclusively. >> >> the ccTLD list is determined by the ISO 3166 list, which is speeled >> out in RFC 1591. >> >> I recommend reading 1591 to all with an interest in this issue: >> >> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt?number=1591 >> >> "The country code domains (for example, FR, NL, KR, >> US) are each organized by an administrator for that country. These >> administrators may further delegate the management of portions of the >> naming tree. These administrators are performing a public service on >> behalf of the Internet community." >> >> and >> >> "The major concern in selecting a designated manager for a domain is >> that it be able to carry out the necessary responsibilities, and have >> the ability to do a equitable, just, honest, and competent job. >> >> 1) The key requirement is that for each domain there be a designated >> manager for supervising that domain's name space. In the case of >> top-level domains that are country codes this means that there is >> a manager that supervises the domain names and operates the domain >> name system in that country. >> >> The manager must, of course, be on the Internet. There must be >> Internet Protocol (IP) connectivity to the nameservers and email >> connectivity to the management and staff of the manager. >> >> There must be an administrative contact and a technical contact >> for each domain. For top-level domains that are country codes at >> least the administrative contact must reside in the country >> involved. >> >> 2) These designated authorities are trustees for the delegated >> domain, and have a duty to serve the community. >> >> The designated manager is the trustee of the top-level domain for >> both the nation, in the case of a country code, and the global >> Internet community." >> >> >> Are two quotes that are particularly relevant. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > LUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. > --------------------------------------- >
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