-- 
rgds,

Reinier Battenberg
Director
Mountbatten Ltd.
+256 758 801 749
www.mountbatten.net



On Monday 30 August 2010 16:40:12 Mugarura Cavin wrote:
> Reinier,
> 
> this statement,
> _________________________________________________
> 
>  Drupal is the more mature system for more serious websites.
> 
> __________________________________________
> 
> its good you stated 'In my opinion', and in my opinion, i see no
> evidence to support this view
> 
> and in my opinion, i can not say Drupal is better than Joomla,
> Wordpress, or Sharepoint. Its like saying Pepsi is the best drink.
> That is a misleading statement. I would have to come up with some hard
> facts to come up with such a conclusion,
> 
> Coming up with a good website is based on the individual skill set of
> a web developer or group of developers, irrespective of whetools they
> employ (Sharepoint, Cold Fusion, Notepad or Drupal).

nope. you can not do certain things in Joomla, or in wordpress, and probably 
there is a few things you can not do with Drupal.

But they are fewer. 

Because Drupal is just more powerful. Especially without the need for coding.

> 
> _________
> 
> And it prevents things like the total overhaul Joomla had between 1.0 and
> 1.5.
> 
> ________
> 
> again this statement is misleading, there is no disadvantage in
> overhauling a system. This is a natural phenomenon in software
> development. Remember, these over hauls come from user testing, user
> reviews, user requests. I have no problem with over hauls. (not today
> not tomorrow). What would be news is if no over haul took place. Allow
> me to extract from Murph'y laws
> (http://www.murphys-laws.com/murphy/murphy-computer.html
> 
> Bahaman's Law:
> for any given software, the moment you manage to master it, a new
> version appears.
> Sent by Bahaman.
> Yakko's addition:
> The new version always manages to change the one feature you need most.
> Sent by Yakko <[email protected]>

sorry, what was misleading? Joomla did a total rewrite between 1.0 and 1.5. 
The Drupal codebase is almost 10 years old. It never needed a full rewrite. 
What is misleading in my statement?


the difference between drupals approach and Joomla's mess was that joomla had 
to rewrite the complete codebase, while Drupal accepts breaking the API 
incrementally. Overhauling is something different than adding new features.

Joomla 1.5 is also sort of backward compatible, which is nice, but has cost a 
considerable extra effort.

And most importantly, no new functionality was added in Joomla 1.5. Still, it 
took about 3 years to build. 


> 
> _______
> 
> the amount compatible with Drupal 6 is about 4400. (lies, lies & statistics
> ;-)
> 
> _______
> 
> if you break down the modules which depend on each other to function,
> this figure could come to 500.

Can you back this statement up with figures please. You are just guessing 
here.

And while at it, please point to the replacements in Joomla for Views & CCK. 
Thank you.


> 
> I wish you the best in promoting Drupal, its a good fight, but i will
> not join you. I will leave the developers to choose a platform of
> their choice, they have the skills to do that.

No they dont. I dont know everything too, and nobody knows everything. If 
someone wants to teach me about Ruby 3.0 i would not blast him, i would 
actually try to listen and learn. Watching the webckick video in this light is 
very interesting btw, as it shows you how a positive attitude in a community 
can bring you a lot.

I happen to like Drupal. It does a tremendous job for me and our staff, every 
day. Things I could never have done in Joomla. (that is why i switched). Its 
not a fight i am putting on, its trying to spread Drupal Love. I just had lots 
of it, and i am still smiling :-)

(i also found a selection of Drupalcon video's here: 
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=drupalcon&sort=-publicdate so you can 
watch sessions offline)

rgds,

reinier








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