I just noticed that Kiggs has revoked my admin access to the list. On the discussion front, I agree with a lot of what has been said -- particularly this:
On Wed, January 26, 2011 6:30 pm, Emmanuel Mulo wrote: > I think that any acceptable use policy would still have been > violated by Cavin, not once, not twice but several times over since he > joined the list. So if we are talking about a policy that cautions > users and then takes appropriate action after a while it would come to > the same thing - Cavin would have been banned by now! And this: On Wed, January 26, 2011 9:08 pm, Victor van Reijswoud wrote: > LUG has been close to my heart for almost 7 years now, but over the > last one and a half year I had more than one moment that I wanted to > quit my membership. I have seen nasty and impolite discussions. I have > little time and when try to help, ask a question or just share some > information I do not want to have the underlying feeling that I may be > attacked or belittled. Not by respected people in the community but > also not by newcomers like Cavin. All contributions and contributors > should be treated with respect. > > On more than one occasion I have asked the moderator to intervene. In > my opinion someone who insults people and/or threats with legal action > when confronted with his/her behavior is not welcome on a list. > Off-list I have tried to coach Cavin as I know him longer than most of > the people on the list. I have not succeeded as his behavior has gone > from bad to worse. > > LUG has had some difficult times recently and the numbers of posts > have gone down (I have not counted, but that is my feeling). Technical > problems may be part of it, but also the tone of the discussions > matter. Personally I notice that I have become reluctant to post on > LUG because this may be rewarded with some irrelevant and personal > attack. This takes away the fun!! Regards, Kyle Spencer On Wed, January 26, 2011 9:08 pm, Victor van Reijswoud wrote: > Participating in an online community like LUG needs to be fun and > rewarding. According to me it all boils down to this simple principle. > People like Cavin make take away this fun and make it into a battle. > This alienates and is counterproductive. > > Today I had to work with a local carpenter. To my big surprise he told > me that he was running Ubuntu (when he saw me running Ubuntu). > Immediately he asked me some questions and wanted some help. Most > questions were simple and I promised to visit him at home to solve > some of the more difficult problems. He left happy! That is the spirit > when we want to spread the word. > > From the start of LUG this community had the same purpose: help people > with their Linux related problems. Young and/or inexperienced people > ask questions and senior and/or experienced people try to help. When > the question is answered and the problem solved, everyone is happy. > > As one of the people who first introduced Linux in Uganda I have > dedicated a lot of time, in forums like LUG but also elsewhere and > otherwise. I have always done that because I find it fun to do and > rewarding to add a new user to the Linux community. > > LUG has been close to my heart for almost 7 years now, but over the > last one and a half year I had more than one moment that I wanted to > quit my membership. I have seen nasty and impolite discussions. I have > little time and when try to help, ask a question or just share some > information I do not want to have the underlying feeling that I may be > attacked or belittled. Not by respected people in the community but > also not by newcomers like Cavin. All contributions and contributors > should be treated with respect. > > On more than one occasion I have asked the moderator to intervene. In > my opinion someone who insults people and/or threats with legal action > when confronted with his/her behavior is not welcome on a list. > Off-list I have tried to coach Cavin as I know him longer than most of > the people on the list. I have not succeeded as his behavior has gone > from bad to worse. > > LUG has had some difficult times recently and the numbers of posts > have gone down (I have not counted, but that is my feeling). Technical > problems may be part of it, but also the tone of the discussions > matter. Personally I notice that I have become reluctant to post on > LUG because this may be rewarded with some irrelevant and personal > attack. This takes away the fun!! > > Rules and a code of conduct are good, but also a moderator is > important. I therefore thought that Kyle's action was totally > justified. Again Cavin insulted someone and then he should get a > warning. Removing him from the list is the ultimate warning (although > he apparently seems to fail to see it as such and rejoins with a new > email address). This is serious and should make the person reflect on > his actions. > > Let try to make participating in the LUG community fun and rewarding > again. Let us respect all people who try to participate and dedicate > their time. I suggest that the moderator is stringent on people who > cannot adhere to this basic premise. All people, also my carpenter, > should feel free to ask a question (even stupid ones) one the forum > and get a helpful answer. Only this will make the linux community in > Uganda grow. > > victor > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:00 PM, sanga collins <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Lol@ the second. I like Mr Mugabi the second as a fake alias. Sounds >> more >> regal. Anyway ... >> >> No reason is needed. Just leave of your own accord and everyone will be >> happy including you. You might even get into IT Heaven. Where bandwidth >> is >> unlimited and everyone get quadruple flat screen setups >> >> On Jan 26, 2011 6:24 PM, "Cavin Aaron" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Lug, >>> am willing to leave the list, i have no gain in staying on this list, i >>> will not gain or lose weight, if i stay on this list, this list will >>> not aid >>> me in pursuit of going to heaven, in simple terms, there is really no >>> motivation however, i just need only 1 person to convince me, why i >>> should >>> leave, the person can send me a private email, to avoid spamming the >>> list >>> why i say this, its okay for some people to make personal attacks, but >>> when i respond, for some reason, i have crossed the proverbial line >>> that is a joke, banning me from this list is comical, i can register >>> under >>> an alias (Sanga Collins the second or Sir Albert Kabalega) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> _______________________________________________ >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> [email protected] >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). 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