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________________________________ From: Tim Schofield <[email protected]> To: Uganda Linux User Group <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, August 5, 2011 2:08:57 PM Subject: Re: [LUG] [OT} antitrust cases and patent wars Hmmmm, but the fact that someone can find a blog post where it says that Google has magically made Linux closed source doesn't actually mean that it is closed source. Honeycomb source code is available. I posted a link where you can download it a while ago now. Apple and their zealots would like people to fall for this story, because it makes their stance on software freedom seem more respectable, but it doesn't make it true. Sorry to the zealots on this list that would like it to be true :-) On 5 August 2011 18:16, Markus A. Wipfler <[email protected]> wrote: > While following this thread I couldn't help but wonder how "open" open > source software really is. I mean google not availing the Honeycomb source > code for a certain period of time (regardless of reason) does raise certain > questions. I think the purists, those who want open source code to be > available at all times to the public from the first line of code onwards, > certainly consider android 'less' open than say Linux. > Below a link to a research report that tries to quantify the openness of > open source software: >http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2011/07/the-open-governance-index-measuring-openness-from-android-to-webkit/ >/ > > > > Regards, > > -- > Markus > On Aug 5, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Tim Schofield wrote: > > I did publish a link to the 3.0 source code on an earlier thread. > > The claims that Google have made Linux closed source is just fud put around > by Apple zealots. They can't do even if they wanted to. > > On 4 Aug 2011 22:56, "Kyle Spencer" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> So what i dont get is; some pundits say that android 3.0 is not open >>> source, and that its not freely available. What is google doing >>> different with 3.0 that is leading people to make such claims. >> >> Google publicly admitted that Honeycomb is closed source. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Licensing >> >> >> ----- Original message ----- >>> So what i dont get is; some pundits say that android 3.0 is not open >>> source, and that its not freely available. What is google doing >>> different with 3.0 that is leading people to make such claims. I >>> personally have never tried to obtain the source for 3.0 but i may give >>> it a shot over the weekend as long as this hurricane doesnt land on our >>> heads friday night >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > There is no way they can as we all have access to the source code. The >>> > source code is free. This is the great thing about software freedom. >>> > It's not about cost its about freedom to use the code. >>> > >>> > At least that's the view of the zealots :-) >>> > On 4 Aug 2011 22:01, "sanga collins" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > The same way they blocked manufactures from accessing android 3.0 by >>> > setting >>> > > very high requirements on the device capabilities b4 they would give >>> > > them the source i guess. Im sure they have a office tower full of >>> > > lwayers that can find a way. My question was how they would block it >>> > > but if they would try to find a way to block. >>> > > >>> > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > How could Google block it? They could no more block it than I >>> > > > could. >>> > > > >>> > > > Linux is free software it belongs to no one. >>> > > > On 4 Aug 2011 21:51, "sanga collins" <[email protected]> >>> > > > wrote: >>> > > > > Good point Tim, Apple and M$ could just as easily build a device >>> > > > > and >>> > put >>> > > > > android on it as they could their own proprietary OS(s). I saw >>> > yesterday >>> > > > > that M$ actually makes more money from Android sales than it >>> > > > > does from windows phone sales. So i wonder why it hasnt been >>> > > > > explored by the >>> > higher >>> > > > > ups in Redmond. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > i would love to see the day (and the reaction) If M$ came out >>> > > > > with an android phone/device. Do you think google would allow it >>> > > > > or find a way >>> > to >>> > > > > block such a move out of spite? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Tim Schofield >>> > > > > <[email protected]> >>> > > > wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > Dan is right the author of that article is not actually aware >>> > > > > > of what >>> > he >>> > > > is >>> > > > > > talking about. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Google is not dumping Linux on any market. It's not Google's >>> > > > > > to dump >>> > or >>> > > > > > anything else. It is free software, if Apple wanted to they >>> > > > > > could use >>> > it >>> > > > in >>> > > > > > their phones as well. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > It really amazes me how these journos can right rubbish like >>> > > > > > this. On 4 Aug 2011 20:22, "sanga collins" >>> > > > > > <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> > > > > > > Paul Thurrott: >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > And I’d also point out that Google licenses Android for >>> > > > > > > free. So by >>> > > > > > raising >>> > > > > > > the price of Android by imposing licensing fees on >>> > > > > > > technologies >>> > > > Android >>> > > > > > is >>> > > > > > > in fact using, Apple, Microsoft, and others are arguably >>> > > > > > > simply >>> > > > leveling >>> > > > > > the >>> > > > > > > playing field and taking away an artificial Android >>> > > > > > > advantage, >>> > forcing >>> > > > > > the >>> > > > > > > OS to compete more fairly. Arguably, by “dumping” Android in >>> > > > > > > the >>> > > > market >>> > > > > > at >>> > > > > > > no cost, Google—which has unlimited cash and can afford to >>> > > > > > > do such >>> > a >>> > > > > > thing — >>> > > > > > > is behaving in an anticompetitive fashion. In fact, one >>> > > > > > > could argue >>> > > > that >>> > > > > > > Google is using its dominance in search advertising to >>> > > > > > > unfairly >>> > gain >>> > > > > > entry >>> > > > > > > into another market by giving that new product, Android, >>> > > > > > > away for >>> > > > free. >>> > > > > > Does >>> > > > > > > this remind you of any famous antitrust case? >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > -- >>> > > > > > > Sanga M. 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