Well, Greece is Greece. The fact that Greece happens to be in Europe
has little to no relevance. :)

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Victor van Reijswoud
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In Greece (also in still in Europe) we were called in to register our
> prepaid cards with our identity cards. This happened last year.
>
> V
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> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I was in China last November, and I bought a prepaid SIM, for cash,
>> with data enabled. In Sweden we had the question of requiring
>> mandatory registration up for discussion many years ago, and it got
>> laughed at so fiercely it really didn't have a chance to pass. If they
>> are going to bring up this ridiculous idea in the EU again, it's news
>> to me.
>>
>> Get your facts straight, Kyle. :)
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> In the US all carriers are
>>>> required to take the details of someone before
>>>> they buy a sim pack.
>>>
>>> I was recently given two pre-paid voice/data SIMs (on two separate 
>>> occasions) without being asked to provide any ID.  All they asked for was a 
>>> name and 4 digit PIN.  Cash was a payment option.  No address, social 
>>> security number, etc was required.
>>>
>>>> In China and Japan you have to present a
>>>> passport or national ID to buy a sim pack.
>>>
>>> I lived in China, though it was a number of years ago.  I never had to 
>>> provide ID to buy SIMs.  Things could be different now, though :)
>>>
>>>> The EU is in the process of making it mandatory
>>>> for all its members to register sims.
>>>> A bill has been passed to Senate in the US
>>>> requiring sim registration.
>>>
>>> Citation needed!  Can you provide more details on this legislation?  If 
>>> there's a law on the books in the US, it's not strictly followed.
>>>
>>> Anyway, all of that is beside the main point.  I still argue that this 
>>> legislation is a mostly ineffective security measure, has negative economic 
>>> consequences, and is prone to abuse.
>>>
>>> And, though it won't benefit consumers, it will benefit the telecoms as it 
>>> should significantly reduce the "churn" rate (the industry term for users 
>>> frequently changing providers) by creating barriers to entry.  You're far 
>>> less likely to change networks frequently if you need to manually sign up 
>>> and suffer a delay period every time you switch.
>>>
>>> As a result, companies like MTN will now be able to provide lower quality 
>>> of service with fewer consequences as customers will be less inclined to 
>>> make the effort to switch to another network.
>>>
>>> I believe Uganda's high churn rates indicate a healthy consumer-oriented 
>>> marketplace.  Why throw this away and give more leverage to the telecoms?
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original message -----
>>>> @kyle, @benjamin, and if you can in USA and China and Sweden, I bet those
>>>> guys already have   some fancy mechanism to track down any phone user even
>>>> if they haven't registered their SIMs. In the US all carriers are
>>>> required to take the details of someone before they buy a sim pack. In
>>>> China and Japan you have to present a passport or national ID to buy a
>>>> sim pack. The EU is in the process of making it mandatory for all its
>>>> members to register sims.
>>>> A bill has been passed to Senate in the US requiring sim registration.
>>>> Whether or not it goes through is another issue.
>>>> I think the UCC/gov't has some valid concerns to do what they are doing.
>>>> Playing the devil's advocate, having national IDs should have been the
>>>> first priority for gov't if it has security concerns, then maybe
>>>> registration would not be requirement.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > > If you go many
>>>> > > countries, you just can't   walk into a shop and buy a sim card like
>>>> > > we
>>>> > do it
>>>> > > in UG.
>>>> >
>>>> > You can in the USA!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Bright Onapito <[email protected]>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> > > Hello Ronnie,
>>>> > > I feel your pain, but I must say this process is long over due! It
>>>> > > is a mandatory procedure for every teleco to register all its
>>>> > > subscribers. UCC was abit lenient to all these guys in the first
>>>> > > place. If you go many countries, you just can't   walk into a shop
>>>> > > and buy a sim card like we
>>>> > do it
>>>> > > in UG. In as much as it might appear as a 'breech of privacy' I
>>>> > > believe
>>>> > it
>>>> > > is a move aimed at protecting you and me. Imagine your phone was
>>>> > > stolen
>>>> > and
>>>> > > sold to whoever. As soon as they put in their sim card it will be
>>>> > > quite
>>>> > easy
>>>> > > to for starters know who is using your stolen phone. That's a plus
>>>> > > for starters isn't it?
>>>> > > Cheers!
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Delyon Ronnie
>>>> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Recently read in the papers about UCC requiring every holder of a
>>>> > > > sim
>>>> > card
>>>> > > > to register it or face termination of service.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > What does this achieve and isn’t this some infringement of privacy.
>>>> > People
>>>> > > > should I think have the option of opting out given I don’t(yet)
>>>> > > > see any benefits of doing it to begin with
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
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