i'm suprised this is still a hot topic. I think i've been numbed to the fact that big brother will always be watching and therefore i use devices/computers/services with that thought as the only constant.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour < [email protected]> wrote: > Well, Greece is Greece. The fact that Greece happens to be in Europe > has little to no relevance. :) > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Victor van Reijswoud > <[email protected]> wrote: > > In Greece (also in still in Europe) we were called in to register our > > prepaid cards with our identity cards. This happened last year. > > > > V > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I was in China last November, and I bought a prepaid SIM, for cash, > >> with data enabled. In Sweden we had the question of requiring > >> mandatory registration up for discussion many years ago, and it got > >> laughed at so fiercely it really didn't have a chance to pass. If they > >> are going to bring up this ridiculous idea in the EU again, it's news > >> to me. > >> > >> Get your facts straight, Kyle. :) > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> In the US all carriers are > >>>> required to take the details of someone before > >>>> they buy a sim pack. > >>> > >>> I was recently given two pre-paid voice/data SIMs (on two separate > occasions) without being asked to provide any ID. All they asked for was a > name and 4 digit PIN. Cash was a payment option. No address, social > security number, etc was required. > >>> > >>>> In China and Japan you have to present a > >>>> passport or national ID to buy a sim pack. > >>> > >>> I lived in China, though it was a number of years ago. I never had to > provide ID to buy SIMs. Things could be different now, though :) > >>> > >>>> The EU is in the process of making it mandatory > >>>> for all its members to register sims. > >>>> A bill has been passed to Senate in the US > >>>> requiring sim registration. > >>> > >>> Citation needed! Can you provide more details on this legislation? > If there's a law on the books in the US, it's not strictly followed. > >>> > >>> Anyway, all of that is beside the main point. I still argue that this > legislation is a mostly ineffective security measure, has negative economic > consequences, and is prone to abuse. > >>> > >>> And, though it won't benefit consumers, it will benefit the telecoms > as it should significantly reduce the "churn" rate (the industry term for > users frequently changing providers) by creating barriers to entry. You're > far less likely to change networks frequently if you need to manually sign > up and suffer a delay period every time you switch. > >>> > >>> As a result, companies like MTN will now be able to provide lower > quality of service with fewer consequences as customers will be less > inclined to make the effort to switch to another network. > >>> > >>> I believe Uganda's high churn rates indicate a healthy > consumer-oriented marketplace. Why throw this away and give more leverage > to the telecoms? > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original message ----- > >>>> @kyle, @benjamin, and if you can in USA and China and Sweden, I bet > those > >>>> guys already have some fancy mechanism to track down any phone user > even > >>>> if they haven't registered their SIMs. In the US all carriers are > >>>> required to take the details of someone before they buy a sim pack. In > >>>> China and Japan you have to present a passport or national ID to buy a > >>>> sim pack. The EU is in the process of making it mandatory for all its > >>>> members to register sims. > >>>> A bill has been passed to Senate in the US requiring sim registration. > >>>> Whether or not it goes through is another issue. > >>>> I think the UCC/gov't has some valid concerns to do what they are > doing. > >>>> Playing the devil's advocate, having national IDs should have been the > >>>> first priority for gov't if it has security concerns, then maybe > >>>> registration would not be requirement. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > > If you go many > >>>> > > countries, you just can't walk into a shop and buy a sim card > like > >>>> > > we > >>>> > do it > >>>> > > in UG. > >>>> > > >>>> > You can in the USA! > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Bright Onapito < > [email protected]> > >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > > Hello Ronnie, > >>>> > > I feel your pain, but I must say this process is long over due! It > >>>> > > is a mandatory procedure for every teleco to register all its > >>>> > > subscribers. UCC was abit lenient to all these guys in the first > >>>> > > place. If you go many countries, you just can't walk into a shop > >>>> > > and buy a sim card like we > >>>> > do it > >>>> > > in UG. In as much as it might appear as a 'breech of privacy' I > >>>> > > believe > >>>> > it > >>>> > > is a move aimed at protecting you and me. Imagine your phone was > >>>> > > stolen > >>>> > and > >>>> > > sold to whoever. As soon as they put in their sim card it will be > >>>> > > quite > >>>> > easy > >>>> > > to for starters know who is using your stolen phone. That's a plus > >>>> > > for starters isn't it? > >>>> > > Cheers! > >>>> > > > >>>> > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Delyon Ronnie > >>>> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > Recently read in the papers about UCC requiring every holder of > a > >>>> > > > sim > >>>> > card > >>>> > > > to register it or face termination of service. > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > What does this achieve and isn’t this some infringement of > privacy. > >>>> > People > >>>> > > > should I think have the option of opting out given I don’t(yet) > >>>> > > > see any benefits of doing it to begin with > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > > > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > >>>> > > > [email protected] > >>>> > > > Mailing list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >>>> > > > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>>> > > > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > >>>> > > > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > >>>> > > > (including attachments if any). 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