"Windows infrastructure is like a microwaveable tv dinner. Expensive but Put
it in for 7 minutes and you get a decent meal void of flavor and taste but
every time you do it, it turns out pretty much the same. Linux
infrastructure is like cooking from scratch with cheap ingredients. Great
cook and u have a great meal. Bad cook and it's a cluster-fck of useless
stuff."

 

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
sanga collins
Sent: 03 February 2012 07:53
To: Uganda Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [LUG] Does Uganda have a demand for Linux Administrators?

 

i know its not a response to mine, but in general ... what is it that has
you riled up for all these months?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Cavin Mugarura <[email protected]> wrote:

If you read my thread u will realise its not in response to your thread






Sanga Collins <[email protected]> wrote:

>Why u so mad?
>
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:32 PM, Cavin Mugarura  <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Migration to Linux has to based on common sense
>>
>> I even wonder why this is an issue
>>
>> If an organization can't afford windows license fees then its better to
migrate rather than use pirated windows
>>
>> Some organizations are not resource constrained so the motivation could
be performance at the server level
>>
>> Other organizations have specialized Software that might only run on
windows or Mac (don't tell me about wine)
>>
>> Isn't this supposed to be common sense
>>
>> No one has suggested all computers in the world should run on Linux
>>
>> Of course,  some people on this list would like that but that will never
happen
>>
>> Free speech is good, common sense is good too
>>
>> Sanga Collins <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Marcus you hit the nail right on the head. As much of Linux fan that I
am, it's just a tool and it's not for everything. I have managed to convince
my company and our clients to switch to Linux back end. We are rolling out
zentyal master/slave setup for 30 sites and using zimbra for all the
companies email. It took almost three years of begging. How did I finally do
it? I dressed it up as windows. Installed outlook with imap settings
funambol to sync contacts and hid the Linux environment from the desktop
users.
>>>
>>> It's still early but so far it's going well
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Feb 2, 2012, at 2:59 AM, "Markus A. Wipfler"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting if you join a company you can convince them to migrate to
Linux
>>>>
>>>> Why would you do that???  Imagine you are the new sys admin at xyz
company in charge of backend services running enterprise microsoft software
like Exchange, Active Directory, Sharepoint which are used by hundreds or
thousands of users.
>>>> Now since you love linux and believe that linux is like a super patch
that fixes any computer problem, you suggest to management that you want to
migrate all backend services to linux. I am not saying its impossible but is
it feasible? You can drive your car with your feet but it does't necesarily
make it a good idea. What I am saying is that just using Linux for Linux
sake is plain stupid.
>>>>
>>>> Remember a couple of years ago Germany's government tried to make a
switch to Linux (backend + frontend) which sadly failed and now they are
back to running windows. The problem in their case basically boiled down to
3 issues:
>>>>
>>>> - hardware support (too many printers, scanners, etc.. just didn't work
when they where plugged into linux desktops / laptops and the amount of
support  and time required to make them work)
>>>> - interoperability (its hard migrating away from proprietary software,
especially Ms Office / Exchange combo)
>>>> - training and user adoption (reluctancy of staff to use new,
unfamiliar software, cost / time of training staff)
>>>>
>>>> As far as  I can see the best chance linux (AND Linux Admins) have here
in Uganda is in the market of SoHo and SME's. Here Linux could be used as a
cost effective and even superior alternative to propriatary software with a
relatively low learning curve for end users. (Employes still use outlook, ms
office but with linux backend, firewall, router, directory service,
intra/extra net,etc.)
>>>>
>>>> IMHO Linux will always be a niche OS.  Why blindly advocate it to
everyone? It reminds me of some saved people I know, who believe everyone
else is going straight to hell if you  don't join them. LOL.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Markus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you fail to do so, blame yourself
>>>>>
>>>>> In my local language there's a saying "bamusella omukatale yatongana
noruguddo" literally translated as "he was charged high prices at the market
and he is now quarrelling with the road
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are referring to job posting s advertising for Microsoft skills
that's another issue
>>>>>
>>>>> This issue is actually a side show
>>>>> What is more important is to promote Linux on a bigger scale in
government, schools, private sector  and non profits
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course outfits like LUG have tried but with dismal results
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometime back I wrote how entities like LUG, IT companies can work
together and promote Linux but I guess my proposal fell on deaf ears
>>>>>
>>>>> LUG meetup s are good but most times when I look at the agenda, it s
not different from a pastor preaching to a choir
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Stephen S. Musoke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ronald,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are wrong. Windows flourishes because it is already at the
desktop, so
>>>>>> is much easier to integrate at the Server end. Truth be told, Windows
is
>>>>>> becoming better at the backend and is also very good at integrating
with
>>>>>> Linux/Unix (MSFT/Novelle) partnership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You will not find a truly homogenous environment, you will find
Windows for
>>>>>> File/Print/Active Directory and *nix at the database and application
server
>>>>>> levels, and in virtualized applicatons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of
>>>>>> Ronald Kato Odongo
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:37 AM
>>>>>> To: Uganda Linux User Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [LUG] Does Uganda have a demand for Linux
Administrators?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be be up to us interested in Linux administration to go out
and
>>>>>> offer it as an alternative to Windows. Windows is flourishing due in
part to
>>>>>> ignorance about Linux technologies. If we pushed Linux harder into
the
>>>>>> market, then the market would realize it's enormous advantage over
windows.
>>>>>> Sometimes the best products are ignored because not enough has been
put in
>>>>>> promoting them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Robert Muwanga <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a curious note, I have seen a lot of companies that utilise
Microsoft
>>>>>> Server backend systems but unless it is the big telco boys (and
banks) I
>>>>>> haven't heard of an interest in Linux for either backend or front end
in
>>>>>> Uganda in particular.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, the question is, what's people's opinion with regards on the
demand for
>>>>>> Linux in Uganda? is it rising? is it shrinking or stagnant? And in
effect,
>>>>>> what is the demand for Linux administrators in the country?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks and Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ronald Kato Odongo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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