Quite or as Lincoln put it (Gettysburg Address 1872) "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" - which unfortunately doesn't guarantee good government because ill informed votes make poor choices when electing their parliamentarians
DMG ________________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Benjamin Tayehanpour Sent: 12 May 2012 15:52 To: Uganda Linux User Group Subject: Re: [LUG] OT: UG SUSE Mobile Command Center Also: Yes, some parents keep secrets from their children. But the government is not my parent, and I am not a child. A family is not a legislated democracy, but a country is. (Well, most of them.) And as such, the individual has every right to some insight into the workings of the government. After all, he/she pays taxes, and the taxes pay the politicians' salaries. In effect, he/she is the government's employer. Tell me one workplace where the employer has no right to now what the employees are up to! On 12 May 2012 15:47, Benjamin Tayehanpour <[email protected]> wrote: Your world, perhaps, but not mine. In Sweden we have something called offentlighetsprincipen. It basically means you as a citizen are allowed to request court transcripts for almost any case; blueprints for almost any building; information pertaining to individual citizens (including politicians and government officials) such as full name, address, date of birth, reported income and tax return, social ID number, passport photo, and a lot more information; police reports; military rosters; government office records; basically any record kept by any government organisation not considered especially sensitive. And the Swedish government has no right to require or even to ask you why you would want that information. And apparently it works quite well, since we're fourth on the list of least corrupt countries. (Corruption Perception Index, 2011.) So, pardon me, but if anyone is naïve here it's not me. By the way, you could draw parallels with open source development: Many eyes make for shallow code, and many eyes keep the government in line. On 12 May 2012 15:30, Sanga Collins <[email protected]> wrote: That's a naive view of the world we live in. Even parents keep secrets from their children Sent from my mobile device On May 12, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Benjamin Tayehanpour <[email protected]> wrote: I agree. A government organisation which keeps secrets from its citizens is not doing its job. Transparency is a cornerstone of democracy, and also a pretty efficient way to reduce or even nigh eliminate corruption. On 11 May 2012 18:29, Jake Markhus <[email protected]> wrote: Police data is not and should not be secret if they are doing the right thing! If they opened up they could benefit from opensource tools like openmaps. They could learn from geeks how to secure themselves. If they went Linux instead of windows they wouldnt get hacked and compromised so often. When you need to get public work done go windows but if you really want control, security, accountability, robust and scalable computing, YOU GO LINUX! Did I mention cheap? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of erias swraggy Sent: 11 May 2012 17:49 To: Uganda Linux User Group Subject: Re: [LUG] OT: UG SUSE Mobile Command Center Well, not bad an idea expect that u gonna have to sign a bunch of lousy contracts refraining u frm sharing certain info evn wth ur most trusted geeks;then it wud require geeks to get into de program..u knw, lyk boy-scouts nt wth guns bt wth other force-gadgets, which tke long. I wud suggest however, dat they outsource de geeks as an orgz'd grp. it's a win-win. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Jake Markhus <[email protected]> wrote: What about they advertise for geeks to get gigs or internships so that they can get up to speed faster. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of erias swraggy Sent: 11 May 2012 15:35 To: Uganda Linux User Group Subject: Re: [LUG] OT: UG SUSE Mobile Command Center To be honest am surprised to evn knw they use computers at our police stations. Well, congs to that. How about letting them on about linux and the magic it could do for police work once utilized as their main OS? On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Benjamin Tayehanpour <[email protected]> wrote: Score! :D At least they now have something to their credit! On 11 May 2012 00:54, Daniel Bwente <[email protected]> wrote: Looks like its SUSE Linux 1 Windows 0 at Uganda Police. http://tinyurl.com/cbba3pu Cheers -- /Daniel _______________________________________________ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: [email protected] Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). 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