I love a good flame war ... Encore! On Wednesday, July 18, 2012, Phillip Simbwa wrote:
> Hmmm, thats interesting. > > Do you run a network with any of the stuff you mentioned or do you > access to corporate client with all or a good part of the stuff you > mentioned? > > Reason I ask, is; for knowledge's sake (like you mentioned), i could > show up and we tease & poke that network and we see how both you and > me can stretch those controls to their limits. > And if your client is ok with us discussing our findings on a mailing > list like this one, everyone benefits. > > My charge: 2 litres of coke, Chips & chicken. (That's close to pro > bono, for an intensive pen testing exercise). What do you think? > > I just need your calendar to compare with mine and we find some free > time to see warrup! > > Cheers, > > > On 7/18/12, [email protected] <javascript:;> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > :) Hey Phillip, your attack (whether on the Bank or a corporate; wonder > if > > attacking the corporate and not the Bank makes it any better evil) > without > > those or other certain lines of defense being in place, will definitely > > succeed especially when coupled with social engineering techniques: (its > > clear that in the battle between cryptanalysts and cryptographers, the > > former always win: recall the knapsack algorithm, rc4/WEP, gsm security > > and the rest). There are so many techniques you can leverage for attack: > > from power/timing analysis to covert channels, to collusion, even the > > biometrics at nuc substations is subject to false accept rates (FAR), > etc, > > etc. BTW in some countries, certain products are even installed at all > > ISPs so they can filter email looking for keywords that can serve as a > > basis for investigation. > > > > :)My interest in posing those lines of defense to you, was actually to > try > > and explore possible weaknesses in them for the interested parties so we > > can go to the next lines of defense, had you replied directly to each > > question and not let others speak for you. Your mentioned bank may not be > > the only one with security problems, coz we have even read about bigger > > ones that have been hiding their debts, fixing inter-banking/overnight > > rates, and you never know the worst may come in when its realized that > one > > of the leading global economies have (their reserve bank) been hiding and > > telling lies about their debt (and u know what, boom, another global > > credit crunch) > > > > Thanks. > > > >> Peter, don't sweat it. Its clear from the excerpts below that the > authors > >> didn't read everything i wrote or they just don't know what they are > >> talking about (could have just concentrated on googling counter > >> responses). > >> First i thought it was me but even after you clearly stating it that the > >> victim IS NOT THE BANK; its still not clear enough for some people!!!! > >> (Sigh, sigh, cough, cough). > >> Alternatively, you could use gimp to do a nice picture of the attack to > >> save yourself 1000 words (i think the message will be clearer then). > >> > >> But let me give it one more try. THE VICTIM IS A CORPORATE COMPANY NOT > >> THE > >> BANK. > >> > >> ++++++++++++++++ I remember point that out clearly +++++++++++++++++ > >> > >> My target is the local DNS server on the company LAN. I wouldn't sweat > >> it trying to knock out the bank unless when push comes to shove and > >> even so, it would be my very last option (am a lazy dude, with no jail > >> wish and love succeeding while sipping a soda). > >> > >> +++++++++++++ End +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > >> > >> Just a little secret though, I have run a similar attack before > (ofcourse > >> with the blessing of the client) to demonstrate something. And the only > >> difference was that i wasn't using the exploit that this thread stemmed > >> from. > >> > >> And yes -- i was only hypothesizing on a few things but mostly (esp. the > >> tech stuff); stating facts! > >> > >> > >> > >> ==================== Excerpts begin Here ============================== > >> > >>> But even then, are u sure, there is a Bank that will allow the use of > >>> unsecured DNS? You know something, you could be playing about with > their > >>> honey pots..... Can you let an unknown host join the network, run in > >>> promiscuous mode, have access to other segments and services of the > >>> corporate network, etc? Some corporates even go the extent of saying > for > >>> example (just an example): traffic from IBM should not pass through > >>> certain Microsoft routers even if they are the best path available, let > >>> alone that from Iraq passing via Pentagon routers... > >> > >> > >>> Goodness. If every bank in this part of the world has equally dismal > >>> security policies, I will seriously reconsider opening an account here. > >> > >>> Why is it like this? It is perfectly possible to achieve good security > >> with > >>> free software and free information. Why do some security admins insist > >>> on > >>> sucking at what they are doing? > >> > >>> Note that Phi>> 鄭occdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it > deosn't mttaer in > >> waht > >> oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the > >> frist > >> and lsat ltteer are in the rghit pclae. > >> The rset can be a toatl mses and > >> you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed > >> ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe and the biran fguiers it > >> out aynawy." > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > - Phillip. > > “Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in > waht > oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist > and lsat ltteer are in the rghit pclae. > The rset can be a toatl mses and > you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed > ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe and the biran fguiers it > out aynawy." > _______________________________________________ > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > [email protected] <javascript:;> > Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in > any way. -- Sanga M. Collins Network Engineering ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Google Voice: (954) 324-1365 E- fax: (435) 578 7411
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