As I said, you have more actual experience on the Ugandan situation, so I defer to you. I just say things which apply in general. I had no idea that the line going out of the country was so unreliable, I just assumed that all the slowdowns, both domestic and abroad, was due to in-country shortcomings. I stand corrected.
What you are talking about on Akamai is called content distribution. I of course could be wrong, but I'm fairly confident that no service in Uganda is up to those amounts of traffic yet. You still miss my point: For low-profile use, you still will achieve better speeds abroad. When the pipeline works, of course; there seems to be pros and cons with both abroad and domestic hosting. Could we agree on that? I have already discussed the charity point of view. It's a nice thought, but with a business depending on the availability of the service you pay money to use, you can't afford not to be pragmatic. I'm not actually arguing against domestic hosting at all, here, I'm just arguing that hosting things locally because of some notion that it will be faster isn't necessarily a valid reason. It depends on a lot of other things as well. I totally agree about standing up and fixing things yourselves. But you don't have to do it *by* yourselves. It's all right to lean on foreign services. If you are considering buying a VPS or similar and are choosing between domestic and foreign, you mustn't forget the fact that you are in charge of a Ugandan web service. You are already contributing to the e-diversity of Uganda! If you can find a data centre in Uganda you're happy with, then, splendid! But you should choose that service because it is a good service, not just because some bloke is trying to guilt-trip you into it with vague and ultimately erroneous notions of "helping the country." On 26 Feb 2013 12:45, "Reinier Battenberg" < [email protected]> wrote: > ** > > > > We just experienced a 2 day slowdown of the interwebs, because of > breakages in Kenya. > > > > Local traffic was very comfortably fast during those days. > > > > And if the internet is local, why does Akamai exist? Why is 80% of my > facebook page coming from fbcdn.akamai.com? Maybe because Akamai does > exactly what you deny: bring content closer to the end users. > > > > And if we would depend on everything being run abroad, how will we every > learn? There are some pretty decent & dedicated sysops in Uganda. (I always > run into them in the middle of the night when visiting Roke for example). > > > > Yeah, if you want to be pragmatic, maybe we can outsource the country to > Germany. Or we can stand up and fix stuff ourselves. > > > > rgds, > > reinier > > > > > > On Tuesday 26 February 2013 12:31:44 Benjamin Tayehanpour wrote: > > If there are stable datacentres with high availability and expedient > staff, then I agree. I'm just saying I've yet to experience that. I will > not argue against you on that point, because you have more experience on > the Ugandan market than I ever will. > > However, what you then go on to say doesn't make sense, totally or > otherwise. Why does it matter whether the service is local or not? The > Internet is fairly location-neutral; there are no long-distance charges to > deal with, and no individual or small business in Uganda will have a good > enough last-mile connection to have a bottleneck occur anywhere other than > in the last mile. I do concede that it is good to support local > alternatives, but if you are running a business and not a charity you need > to have the quality of service as your first consideration. > > On 26 Feb 2013 12:18, "Reinier Battenberg" < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > I work on a local prompt 10% of my day every day, across ISPs, and it > works, once its setup correctly. > > > > I think there is a current wave of more local services going on, which is > great. MTN is offering datacenter services, Datanet launched theirs, > OneSolutions is betting heavily on local VPS services. > > > > And for a lot of online services, especially content heavy ones, that > makes total sense. Why host something like http://www.mafutago.com/ which > has a 100% target audience in Uganda, anywhere else? > > > > Why would Ugandan websites host in the US, while US companies have a cache > inside Uganda for their content? > > > > rgds, > > reinier > > > > > > On Tuesday 26 February 2013 11:44:54 Benjamin Tayehanpour wrote: > > I agree, although using mosh over SSH somewhat mitigates that. > > The problem is that, in my experience with Koen and his hired domestic > VPS, the lag is almost unbearable compared to communicating with a server > abroad. It might just be that that particular company is shite at what they > do, but it seems that with Ugandan VPSes, there are two potential > bottlenecks instead of just one as it should be. > > On 26 Feb 2013 11:26, "Reinier Battenberg" < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > it *is* more comfortably to type on a command prompt with a latency of > less than 20ms, instead of more than 300 though. > > > > > > On Tuesday 26 February 2013 11:21:08 Benjamin Tayehanpour wrote: > > Another option would be to buy computing time abroad, if domesticity isn't > a requirement. > > On 26 Feb 2013 11:16, "Simon Vass" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think I would rephrase that but essentially yes. > > > On 26/02/13 13:14, Reinier Battenberg wrote: > > very true, simon. At the moment the Datanet offer for local traffic is not > really > working out. While datanet is peering with the UIXP, no other members at > the > UIXP are peering with datanet. You'll get your keystrokes on MTN going via > london into your VPS. > > Rather take another option, while you can. > > rgds. > reinier > > > On Tuesday 26 February 2013 13:11:53 Simon Vass wrote: > > As do Datanet, but you might have a hard time getting to them over the > IX ;-) > > On 26/02/13 13:07, Reinier Battenberg wrote: > > Hi, > > You can try Roke Telkom, they lease out VPS's. > > You can mail: > James Byaruhanga <[email protected]> > > rgds, > > Reinier > > On Tuesday 26 February 2013 13:05:05 Mike Epps wrote: > > Hello guys, > I was wondering if any one out there knows of any company in Uganda > that deals shell accounts, that is Linux accounts that I can SSH into > and install personal software. > > thanks in advance > _______________________________________________ > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > [email protected] Mailing list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Mailing list settings: > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). 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