On 23 July 2013 23:29, Richard Zulu <[email protected]> wrote: > Kyle, > > Can you shade more light on what net neutrality models would be violated > if access to local traffic was made cheaper? >
I thought that would be straight forward... Its happening right now in Uganda. Orange and MTN do not charge you a cent when you visit m.facebook.com and 0.facebook.com. Orange also does not charge you when you visit m.wikipedia.com. What happens when Richard Zulu on one of the startup events gets some local folk to launch a UG version of a wiki? His content would never get traffic... why visit that page when m.wikipedia.com is FREE. One would wonder why I am not seeing many Ugandan faces on Google+... the two largest ISP's offer Facebook for FREE. Need I continue on how charging different prices for different content and where its hosted breaks the neutrality of the Internet.... And... we have not even talked about the cost of the local infrastructure. If a company has a 5 year ROI, it is not about to cut costs when it cost $40 per meter of laying fibre. There are more things to look at when considering pricing. Just because its local does not make it cheap to host. We have not even looked at the grueling costs of power that keeps these machines running or the costs of the techies paid to maintain them... Unless you are business that does not want return on your investments... I concur with James, building a great internal network with high speeds and > pushing for loads of local content to be accessed at low prices would be > perfect. > > Lets face it, for those who design networks you tend to make your internal > networks great in terms of capacity and infrastructure. > On 23 Jul 2013 22:44, "Kyle Spencer" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Charging differently for local traffic would violate net neutrality >> priciples. In my opinion we should not encourage that kind of behavior >> because it severely undermines the Internet model :) >> On Jul 23, 2013 9:40 PM, "Peter Atkin" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> DataNet don’t charge for local data links, as long as you of course >>> originating from their infrastructure, I get 5Mb link to most my DataNet >>> clients without an issue.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Kind Regards **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Peter Atkin**** >>> >>> (C.T.O)**** >>> >>> cfts.co (u) ltd.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Get I.T.Right **** >>> >>> +256-772-700781 | Skype: peter2cfu**** >>> >>> www.cfts.co.ug <http://www.cfts.co/> | location >>> details<http://www.cfts.co/contacts.html>| view >>> my profile <http://ug.linkedin.com/in/peteratkin>**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>> Behalf Of *James S. K. Makumbi >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:25 PM >>> *To:* 'Uganda Linux User Group' >>> *Subject:* Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Oh MAN! That is one pain point right there.**** >>> >>> The fact that ISPs charge the same for local data and actual internet >>> access.**** >>> >>> Am I wrong in thinking local data should be cheaper?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>> Behalf Of *Neil Blazevic >>> *Sent:* 23 July 2013 21:18 >>> *To:* Uganda Linux User Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> This conversation is over my head, but a question: if you're accessing >>> local servers, you still get charged at the same bandwidth rate, right? >>> Just it's faster and you ease congestion? >>> Neil**** >>> >>> On Jul 23, 2013 9:15 PM, "James S. K. Makumbi" <[email protected]> >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> All Uganda’s youtube “contributions” (ntv, Wavah’s BS and others) are >>> hosted locally so the IXP can really help with that. They should restrict >>> you to youtbe.co.ug actually or to the UG channel (is that possible?)*** >>> * >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>> Behalf Of *brian lance >>> *Sent:* 23 July 2013 20:34 >>> *To:* Uganda Linux User Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> And we not the worst ones.....don't expect Youtube access for everyone >>> here ....its VIP access only.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:23 PM, David Lubowa <[email protected]> >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> lol @ 5MB for the ministry with 250 users , is this really true ?**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:01 PM, brian lance <[email protected]> >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Good read, but its like a pipeline dream here in Uganda in terms of >>> bandwidth expansion to the leagues in Europe or Asia, esp when you hear >>> orange advertise for 42Mbps modems when actually no one in Uganda utilizes >>> such internet speeds. Its like buying a Bugatti Veyron to test on Kampala >>> road. Currently paying 300k to Orange for 512kbps.. and our ministry with >>> over 250 users has only 5mbps...its a ridiculous.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Kiggundu Mukasa <[email protected]> >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> >>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039974/The-deep-web-The-new-map-undersea-cables-world-clicking.html >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> >>> http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/05/bandwidth-explosion-as-internet-use-soars-can-bottlenecks-be-averted/ >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> --------------------------------------**** >>> >>> Five *solae***** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>> >>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>> [email protected] >>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>> >>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>> >>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>> attachments if any). 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The mailing list host is not responsible for them in >>> any way. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> [email protected] >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). 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