Tim: no, I wasn't thinking about this list at all. Mac questions here seem
reasonable to me, in the right context.

James: I was thinking about my own usage of Mac and Linux, and how I myself
made the transition. You might say I foisted Linux on myself. But also, I
had a school here for seven years (we closed last year) where we taught
Linux only - so indeed, we foisted Linux on our students. This was for two
reasons:

A) Macs are expensive and we couldn't afford them; and

B) When we DID have Windows machines on our network, they were constantly
getting infected with viruses, and we needed a full-time sys admin to
maintain the network. Once we transitioned to Linux only, we no longer got
viruses and didn't need a full-time sys admin anymore.

(Point (B) above is not ENTIRELY true... it seemed unfair to our students
to give them only Linux experience when the real world requires them to be
able to use basic Windows software (Word, Excel, etc). So our solution to
that was to keep a few Windows machines around, but keep them isolated and
off the network.)

Robert Orenstein


On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Robert Orenstein <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Good point about not painting myself into a corner. And even as I hit
> "Send" on the email, I knew that there WAS a potential corner I could have
> been painting myself into, but didn't, only because my room doesn't contain
> that corner.
>
> That corner is "video editing software". I have no need for video editing
> software, but my Linux students who DO edit video have complained that the
> video editing software on Linux just isn't anywhere near good enough to
> make production-quality videos. So unless there's good FOSS video software
> that they haven't discovered, then Mac or Windows are probably best for
> that.
>
> (While we're on this subject, can I ask if anyone has discovered FOSS
> video software of good quality?)
>
> Also I'm not exactly sure what a stokvel is.
>
> Robert Orenstein
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Mark Tinka <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 6/Nov/16 22:58, Robert Orenstein wrote:
>>
>> I was a die-hard Mac fanboy from 1985 until 2009, until I discovered FOSS
>> and, specifically, Ubuntu, and since then I've refused to have anything to
>> do with Apple. Why would a Linux-user want any kind of Apple product? The
>> FOSS and Apple philosophies are so diametrically opposed.
>>
>> Serious question. WHY?
>>
>>
>> Personally, I'm not about setting my child alight because the "stokvel" I
>> belong to says having not burned your child by the time they turn 10 is
>> seen as a dissent to the group's extra-curricular activity.
>>
>> What I'm saying is that do what makes you happy. If you are avoiding
>> Apple products because they don't work for you, fine. But if you are
>> avoiding them on a philosophy - well, unless someone is paying me to uphold
>> that philosophy, I wouldn't do it unless it brought me other
>> non-philosophical benefits.
>>
>> I am old now, so I embrace all tools that are right for the job:
>>
>>     - Mac for my personal use.
>>     - FreeBSD for my server use.
>>     - Linux for my SDN/NFV use.
>>     - Cisco/Juniper/Arista for my revenue-generating traffic.
>>     - Quagga for my Anycast routing.
>>     - Windows for my home media streaming.
>>     - e.t.c.
>>
>> Don't paint yourself in a corner if you don't have to. The "stokvel"
>> won't chuck you from the group because you kept your child alive, as long
>> as you keep contributing to the credit fund.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>
>
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