Something about this thread has been nagging me, but I couldn't put my finger on it 
until Michael's most recent posts. It reminds me of a t-shirt I once saw and whch I 
greatly admired. The t-shirt said:

"NEVER TRY AND TEACH A PIG TO SING.
IT WASTES YOUR TIME AND IT ANNOYS
THE PIG".


>   I said that if you increase the soundhole opening you lower the resonate
>   air space  frequency. You know and I know this is correct, as applied to the
>   guitar or lute.

Please avoid ascribing belief in your delusions to me.

As I mentioned before, science proceeds by experiment and by publishing the results of 
the experiment and the details of how it was performed so that others may verify your 
findings. 

I have performed the following experiment:

Take a guitar and damp the strings with your hand. 
Hold the guitar up near your face (soundboard towards you) and sing down a scale.
At some point you will get a big response (the "Caruso in the stall shower" effect).

For a typical sized classical guitar this will be in the neighborhood of the low A on 
the
5th string. (The ladies trying this may need to enlist the help of a male friend. This 
is biology not
sexism. Sorry. Please don't flame me.)

Cover the hole with a piece of cardboard. The resonance is gone (as even Michael notes 
in an earlier post).

Now remove the cardboard to open the hole. Sing the original pitch and while singing 
that note slowly begin
sliding the cardboard over the hole until the response just dissappears. (This will 
probably happen when you have
1/3 to 1/2 the hole covered.) With this new smaller size opening, try to find the 
pitch of the resonance. Try higher,
try lower. You will probably find the resonance about a half step or whole step below 
the original pitch.
Remove the carboard again ( making the hole larger ). Note that the resonance at the 
lower pitch is gone.
Verify that it has re-appeared at the original higher pitch.


Again I ask the readers to help Michael out by performing the experiment and reporting 
their results.

This works with a lute as well, the resonance on my 10 course is around the 5th 
string, C at A415.

As an experiment this has a number of admirable virtues:

1) It doesn't involve beverage containers.

2) It is repeatable with consistent results.

3) It gets right to the point and doesn't involve discussions of mode-coupling. The 
resonance involved, whatever you call it, is THE resonance controlled the open area of 
the hole, as you have just demonstrated.

4) It shows that I am correct. :-)


I am amazed at Mr. Thames' persistence in the face of the entire body of acoustical 
literature and experiments (both serious lab physics and easily performed home 
experiments). This leads to an interesting question: Michael - do you really believe 
your own nonsense or is this a form of recreation for you?  You know - kick back after 
a hard day's work, have a drink, go to the computer try and yank a few people's 
chains? If it is the former I might suggest that you check and see that your spray 
booth is properly vented.


.....Bob




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